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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    Do a little research into sociology and then tell me the odds don't favor my interpretation over yours.
    I have, and they don't. Even if they did, it's not your place to make the assumption.

    Hell, it was probably her parents that bought or procured the shirt for her.
    Good God, the assumptions never stop.

    Just because you and your little clique in high school expressed rebellion against parental authority in an odd way doesn't make it the norm.
    Didn't claim it did. You, however, claim your experience does.

    It is part of your obvious partisan prejudice to assume I wouldn't say the same thing if the tables were turned and an Obama shirt had been the center of the incident.
    No, it's part of my observation of YOU.

    I think it must be a key trait of the modern right to believe that everyone is as unscrupulous as they are. I guess when you go around calling people "Obamabots"
    And I've done this, where? Gosh, generalize some more; you have a knack for it.

    I know many liberals who aren't hacks. You, however, are not one. Thank you for proving it nearly line-by-line.

    I haven't said it isn't possible the girl's views are diametrically opposed to her parents'.
    You said she was "parroting her parent's views" with no qualification, and you defended it when called on it, so yes, in fact, you have.

    If you want to backpedal from it now, as of course you SHOULD, so noted.

    The chances are just very small given the circumstances and regardless of where they originate from they can't be based on any real and substantial life experience because she has none.
    That doesn't mean they are either insincere OR programmed by her parents.

    As for the motivation of the students who may or may not attack her over this, who knows?
    Apparently you think YOU did, when you said it was only natural that they would because she wore the shirt. Backpedaling from that now, too?
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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Oh I read your posts, and they are the same each time, partisan excusing of what this teacher did and a smokescreen of how the schools should be restricting dress. All this BS about "acceptable standards of dress" is an obvious dodge on your part to avoid what this teacher did.

    The ONLY thing that leads you to your off the wall suspicion is your own partisan blinders. And again, if the possibility of violence is real in that school, due to wearing a t-shirt, the staff should be immediately fired and the school shut. But even here you fail to note that the one inciting the violence is the teacher.

    You give her a pass solely because she is an Obamabot like you.
    So are you vehemently opposed to school uniforms? Are you aware of the rational behind schools adopting them? There is always a possibility that any polarizing statement expressed through attire will incite violence in a group where the majority holds a view in opposition to it. It is just human nature. Someone wearing a shirt supporting a sports rival just prior to a big game against them would probably invoke a violent response. You have no proof whatsoever the teacher is inciting violence or even(that I've seen) that the threat of violence has been confirmed and isn't a creation of the girl and her parents. I also haven't excused what the teacher did. I believe in my first post on the subject I made it clear I felt she reacted in a manner that deserves disciplinary action. It is just my opinion that many of these instances we frequently see these days are, in at least some part, instigated by parents looking for publicity for their cause or financial gain through later legal action. I don't think it is at all "off the wall" to think someone might plan and execute such a scheme in a society where people jump in front of cars so they can sue the driver. I just find it typical of the right that so many of you sympathized completely with the Texas assistant principal who paddled a female student to the point of bruising and in direct violation of current school policy yet act like this incident is the greatest abuse of power ever. BTW, what was the Texas girl's offense again? Oh yeah, she mouthed off to the administrator. Funny how you didn't see that as free speech.

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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Um, wow. That is really messed up. That teacher should be fired and never allowed to work around students again. Harassing and bullying your own students... Good lord.

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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    So are you vehemently opposed to school uniforms? Are you aware of the rational behind schools adopting them? There is always a possibility that any polarizing statement expressed through attire will incite violence in a group where the majority holds a view in opposition to it. It is just human nature. Someone wearing a shirt supporting a sports rival just prior to a big game against them would probably invoke a violent response. You have no proof whatsoever the teacher is inciting violence or even(that I've seen) that the threat of violence has been confirmed and isn't a creation of the girl and her parents. I also haven't excused what the teacher did. I believe in my first post on the subject I made it clear I felt she reacted in a manner that deserves disciplinary action. It is just my opinion that many of these instances we frequently see these days are, in at least some part, instigated by parents looking for publicity for their cause or financial gain through later legal action. I don't think it is at all "off the wall" to think someone might plan and execute such a scheme in a society where people jump in front of cars so they can sue the driver. I just find it typical of the right that so many of you sympathized completely with the Texas assistant principal who paddled a female student to the point of bruising and in direct violation of current school policy yet act like this incident is the greatest abuse of power ever. BTW, what was the Texas girl's offense again? Oh yeah, she mouthed off to the administrator. Funny how you didn't see that as free speech.
    You just can't admit that a fellow Obamabot did something very wrong here and should be fired for it. School uniforms have nothing to do with this incident, again PAY ATTENTION - this was a free dress day. My grandchildren wear uniforms to school, but there are free dress days. And I haven't commented on any other case, so that's yet another failed dodge on your part.

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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I have, and they don't. Even if they did, it's not your place to make the assumption.



    Good God, the assumptions never stop.



    Didn't claim it did. You, however, claim your experience does.



    No, it's part of my observation of YOU.



    And I've done this, where? Gosh, generalize some more; you have a knack for it.

    I know many liberals who aren't hacks. You, however, are not one. Thank you for proving it nearly line-by-line.



    You said she was "parroting her parent's views" with no qualification, and you defended it when called on it, so yes, in fact, you have.

    If you want to backpedal from it now, as of course you SHOULD, so noted.



    That doesn't mean they are either insincere OR programmed by her parents.



    Apparently you think YOU did, when you said it was only natural that they would because she wore the shirt. Backpedaling from that now, too?
    You know, if I could figure out how to make multi quote work on this site I would probably reply to your latest tirade in detail. I can't because of what I believe may be a browser issue but it can be easily summarized anyway. Any assumption you make is correct while those of anyone opposing you aren't. Your anecdotal experiences are indicative of the majority, any contradictory ones of others are an aberration. The girl's story, which is the only one we have heard so far other than the school acknowledging an incident, is to be believed in it's entirety and word for word while anyone questioning any aspect of it or her motives is clearly excusing the teacher's actions. While this girl is a free and independent thinker who forms her own opinions on matters(even when she has no experience to base them on), the remaining students in the school are mindless thugs who could not decide to disapprove of her actions without someone(presumably the teacher) pulling their puppet strings. Have we covered it all?

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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    Any assumption you make is correct while those of anyone opposing you aren't.
    I didn't make any. What I've said about you is based on observing your posts.

    Your anecdotal experiences are indicative of the majority, any contradictory ones of others are an aberration.
    For the second time, I never said that. YOU did. I didn't. I offered my anecdote -- and said specifically it WAS an anecdote precisely to make the point that it isn't reliable evidence -- to counter your own. And then I said you can't draw a conclusion from yourself.

    You're just making things up, even after being corrected. This makes you dishonest.

    The girl's story, which is the only one we have heard so far other than the school acknowledging an incident, is to be believed in it's entirety and word for word
    See, now you're just whining while you're making things up out of whole cloth. I never said anything remotely similar to this.

    while anyone questioning any aspect of it or her motives is clearly excusing the teacher's actions
    Nor did I say anything remotely similar to that.

    While this girl is a free and independent thinker who forms her own opinions on matters(even when she has no experience to base them on)
    Nor this; I said you were making a partisan-motivated assumption that she isn't, not that she affirmatively is. Too subtle for you? It appears so.

    Oh, and you're making another assumption; you don't actually KNOW what her "experience" is. Neither do I, but I don't assume negative things about her.

    the remaining students in the school are mindless thugs who could not decide to disapprove of her actions without someone(presumably the teacher) pulling their puppet strings.
    What a chirping bird. It's YOU who said it was natural reaction to want to beat her up, not I.

    Have we covered it all?
    I don't know; got anything else you'd like to make up out of whole cloth? Umad, bro? Usureseemmad. You may want to look into what it means to "protest too much," because you put it into overdrive here.

    Maybe you should step away from the keyboard and cool off for a while.
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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You just can't admit that a fellow Obamabot did something very wrong here and should be fired for it. School uniforms have nothing to do with this incident, again PAY ATTENTION - this was a free dress day. My grandchildren wear uniforms to school, but there are free dress days. And I haven't commented on any other case, so that's yet another failed dodge on your part.
    I admitted the teacher was in the wrong in my first post. I guess you ADD prevents you from paging back that far so here is the quote "Even so, I believe the teacher should be disciplined as her actions were incorrect and unwarranted." What is obvious is that YOU would not be defending this girl as the pillar of virtue, based only on her side of events, if the tables were reversed. As I mentioned, I didn't see you screaming free speech when a student was physically assaulted by an administrator for voicing her opinion and the most obvious conclusion is because it didn't have anything to do with your political agenda. You also still cannot seem to grasp that I have never claimed she violated any dress code. I have said I believe a dress code prohibiting any political message would be a good idea. If you don't have any such restriction you are opening a door not easily closed. Why wouldn't you consider a "KKK Pride" sweatshirt to be a political expression of free speech? Would it be because it isn't as popular as support for Romney and is that your criteria for protected speech?

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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I didn't make any. What I've said about you is based on observing your posts.



    For the second time, I never said that. YOU did. I didn't. I offered my anecdote -- and said specifically it WAS an anecdote precisely to make the point that it isn't reliable evidence -- to counter your own. And then I said you can't draw a conclusion from yourself.

    You're just making things up, even after being corrected. This makes you dishonest.



    See, now you're just whining while you're making things up out of whole cloth. I never said anything remotely similar to this.



    Nor did I say anything remotely similar to that.



    Nor this; I said you were making a partisan-motivated assumption that she isn't, not that she affirmatively is. Too subtle for you? It appears so.

    Oh, and you're making another assumption; you don't actually KNOW what her "experience" is. Neither do I, but I don't assume negative things about her.



    What a chirping bird. It's YOU who said it was natural reaction to want to beat her up, not I.



    I don't know; got anything else you'd like to make up out of whole cloth? Umad, bro? Usureseemmad. You may want to look into what it means to "protest too much," because you put it into overdrive here.

    Maybe you should step away from the keyboard and cool off for a while.
    Looks like at least one of my basic premises is validated by research. As I said, it isn't a certainty but the odds are definitely in my favor. If you can make it down to the chart, please note that the greatest sharing of political outlook between parents and children is among conservatives.


    http://ase.tufts.edu/polsci/faculty/...dentSeiden.pdf

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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    Looks like at least one of my basic premises is validated by research. As I said, it isn't a certainty but the odds are definitely in my favor. If you can make it down to the chart, please note that the greatest sharing of political outlook between parents and children is among conservatives.


    http://ase.tufts.edu/polsci/faculty/...dentSeiden.pdf
    Yet you still assumed based on partisan hackery and your own anecdotal evidence.

    And the rest, you just made up out of whole cloth. Doesn't exactly secure you the benefit of any doubt, now, does it?
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    Re: Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yet you still assumed based on partisan hackery and your own anecdotal evidence.

    And the rest, you just made up out of whole cloth. Doesn't exactly secure you the benefit of any doubt, now, does it?
    No, I based it on common sense and having some idea of what I was talking about. I'm sure both concepts are foreign to you.

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