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Turkey fires artillery at Syria

ab9924 said:
Sorry, I must answer this with a very hasty counter-point, our Founding Fathers went to a great deal to limit democrary with an Electoral College. Democrarcy is not, but a Republic is what we build. In my humble opinion, democracy is an absolutely horrible thing, because of the unchecked power it gives automatically to a majority. See what it did to France. I don't want cultures and civilization to die.
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We mean democracy in general, not direct-democracy without minority rights. Obviously.
 
ab9924 said:
HAHAHA Ironic, this school year I reside in Holland.

I guess I will never really know about that land until I make a personal contact with someone from there. Maybe next year I should hunt for a Bosnian girlfriend. I became an expert on Hungary thanks to an earlier Hungarian girlfriend. I will become an expert in Bosnia too. For now what I can say is that if I was a Bosnian, I would be very angry at Europe.

I think the most important word in your article was "enclave". (I mean apart from the horrors.) Does it make sense that the enabler to such attrocities was the mixture of "enclave" and "nationality"? I begin to think that your research here is one extra material that I would be able to use in my usual retoric against the ideology of nation state building. Also, I guess a federated Europe that successfully scrambles the national identities of its constituents would not have behaved in such an enabling way.

What if we speculate? Now that Europe has so discredited itself with Holland's behavior, which country is best suited to support the survival of Bosnians? I speculate that another nation state would be an unoptimal choice, so what if we search for non-nation states such as Russia, Turkey, various islamic alliances? Or would squeezed nations do for some good in this matter, such as Hungary, Albania, Bulgaria, Western Ukraine, ... ? What's your take?
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all ı know is they are always two faced when it comes to turkey and the other issues related to turkey.i learnt it well..
i wish all teh world countries came together to make peace and stop being wild agaşnst each other.

ı even believe that kurds have the right to have a state too even if they are supported by the majority of the west..but not through Shedding of Blood .turkey is a very special country geopolitically and historically..and it is still a great piece of bacon for many nations.
i am not paranoiac .i am telling the truth whethewr they like or not..........
 
Red_Dave said:
Did you mean n't ? presumably if the differences were pretty big then one would be preferable to the other? As i said before i don't find any example particularly convincing, what 'Anti-Assad Gunmen' get up to is not something the FSA as a whole can be held accountable for. And again I would ask where you suggest the rebels should keep POWs? given that they are under no obligation to take prisoners in the first place its likely these people were killed in desperation. Che Guvera shot POWs and I've yet to see you call him a war criminal.
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Well I haven't read up about Che Guevera. However, if he did shoot POWs then he is in fact a war criminal.
 
ecofarm said:
We mean democracy in general, not direct-democracy without minority rights. Obviously.
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May I translate this then? We mean democrary not direct-democracy, since the minority rights are what the "common sense" of the majority determins. For obvious examples, see France and its copy-cats, East Europe.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Well I haven't read up about Che Guevera. However, if he did shoot POWs then he is in fact a war criminal.
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He didn't just shoot POWs. He was a bloodthirsty, racist, murderous warmonger.
 
ecofarm said:
I'll make you a deal. Stop with the "imperialism" and "evil empire" BS and I'll stop with the Armenian Genocide. But as long as you crap all over my country, don't expect any kid gloves regarding yours.
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you country is world power and claims to bring the democracy , and ı have the right to criticize it for acting two faced..
but you have no right to defend the nukes while accusing turkey of causin human rights

i even dont talk about native americans............yes government had apologized to them ,but no need for any apology........just treat them equally.........

islamists are gaining power here!! in the region where you claim to bring the democracy into............
 
ab9924 said:
May I translate this then? We mean democrary not direct-democracy, since the minority rights are what the "common sense" of the majority determins. For obvious examples, see France and its copy-cats, East Europe.
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Protecting minority rights, generally through a constitution, is standard procedure in modern western liberal democracy (that being the democracy to which people generally refer). Everyone knows that direct democracy that lacks protections for minorities is a bad thing.
 
Medusa said:
you country is world power and claims to bring the democracy , and ı have the right to criticize it for acting two faced..
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As if Tukey's democracy compares to the West's. hahaha

Two faced? That's Turkey.
 
ecofarm said:
As if Tukey's democracy compares to the West's. hahaha

Two faced? That's Turkey.
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yes the turks whom teh westerners could never colonize................
 
Medusa said:
yes the turks whom teh westerners could never colonize................
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Like we wanted to. That land is crap, and the culture is 'meh'.
 
Medusa said:
yes ,tahts why you want it....
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You think the US wants to colonize Turkey? Please, as long as Turkey does what NATO says, they will be fine.
 
ecofarm said:
All men and women who desire freedom and democracy are my brothers and sisters. I'm not a nationalist, I'm a human rights globalist.
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no you are a kind of imperialist ,but you dont know this fact............
 
ecofarm said:
He didn't just shoot POWs. He was a bloodthirsty, racist, murderous warmonger.
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So those who rebel against Batista are warmongers but those who rebel against Assad are not?
 
ecofarm said:
You think the US wants to colonize Turkey? Please, as long as Turkey does what NATO says, they will be fine.
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And what happens if they step out of line?
 
ecofarm said:
You think the US wants to colonize Turkey? Please, as long as Turkey does what NATO says, they will be fine.
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i mean europeans when i mention colonizations ,new form of it is globalism.........
 
Medusa said:
i mean europeans when i mention colonizations ,new form of it is globalism.........
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Just tell Erod to kiss Net's ass, and Turkey can continue to pretend they're European.
 
Red_Dave said:
So those who rebel against Batista are warmongers but those who rebel against Assad are not?
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Of course they are Dave! Remember, anyone who rebels against people we don't like are the good guys! Even if they do have AQ in them and even if they do want an Islamic state.
 
Medusa said:
all ı know is they are always two faced when it comes to turkey and the other issues related to turkey.i learnt it well..
i wish all teh world countries came together to make peace and stop being wild agaşnst each other.

ı even believe that kurds have the right to have a state too even if they are supported by the majority of the west..but not through Shedding of Blood .turkey is a very special country geopolitically and historically..and it is still a great piece of bacon for many nations.
i am not paranoiac .i am telling the truth whethewr they like or not..........
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Are you talking about an end-of-Soviet-Union style fragmentation of countries as opposed to a French style colonialistic division like the end of Austria-Hungary? I think I agree with you then, and Turkey's future will expand and strengthen if it can do the former style devolution of itself into a community of countries including Kurdistan, Armenia, and others. Yet, speculating even further, if successful, Turkey can even export this and initiate the devolution of European nationalistic tyrants too, such as Romania and most Slavonic states. A really respectable historic contribution to the theory of international political development.
 
Red_Dave said:
So those who rebel against Batista are warmongers but those who rebel against Assad are not?
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When Castro began the revolution, he was a freedom fighter of the people usurping a mob-like quasi-dictatorship. After he got power he became a totalitarian.

And yes, freedom fighters are sometimes bloodthirsty, racist and murderous bastards. Che killed a lot of innocent people in his village rampages and purges.
 
ecofarm said:
When Castro began the revolution, he was a freedom fighter of the people usurping a mob-like quasi-dictatorship. After he got power he became a totalitarian.
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And that I find to be the greatest irony. People who fight for freedom so often turn into the very evil that they once opposed.
 
ecofarm said:
Just tell Erod to kiss Net's ass, and Turkey can continue to pretend they're European.
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we are not european ,when did i say such a thing*?
 
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