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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually, they wouldn't as Turkey and the rest of NATO have been aiding the Syrian rebels.
    Assad is responsible for military attacks from within Syria. I know you probably will not hold Iran responsible for Hamas or Hez either, but the buck must stop somewhere before "the movie did it".

    Also, speaking of killing civilians, the Syrian rebels have done that as well
    Wow, the rebels (actually, some within them, supposedly) have killed like 20 civilians! And Assad?

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonetheless, the Syrian government must be held responsible, no? Or do we now allow rogue regimes to do what they want and the host country is not liable? I guess, considering Hamas, Hez and Syria itself, that may be the case.
    I get Ikari's point, and the UN is suppose to be stepping in with humanitarian aid to help the refugees and THE CHILDREN, right? I think Ikari means US military action.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Assad is responsible for military attacks from within Syria. I know you probably will not hold Iran responsible for Hamas or Hez either, but the buck must stop somewhere before "the movie did it".



    Wow, the rebels (actually, some within them, supposedly) have killed like 20 civilians! And Assad?

    Assad is not responsible for military attacks that are not done by the Syrian military. That question is still currently up in the air.


    As to your other question: A war crime is still a war crime, no matter who does it or how many people they kill. The fact is that both sides have committed war crimes and both sides should not be being supported.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

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    I get Ikari's point, and the UN is suppose to be stepping in with humanitarian aid to help the refugees and THE CHILDREN, right? I think Ikari means US military action.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    As to your other question: A war crime is still a war crime, no matter who does it or how many people they kill. The fact is that both sides have committed war crimes and both sides should not be being supported.
    False equivalence. To support Assad?


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Assad is not responsible for military attacks that are not done by the Syrian military. That question is still currently up in the air.
    Assad is responsible for military strikes coming out of his country. It's his job to prevent such things, he fails but remains responsible.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False equivalence. To support Assad?
    Not false equivalence. A war crime does not change its definition just because instead of killing one person 20 people were killed. A war crime is still a war crime no matter how many people are killed.

    And as to your other question: "The fact is that both sides have committed war crimes and both sides should not be being supported." <----- Reading helps!

    EDIT: The Syrian rebels have been accused of war crimes (http://world.time.com/2012/09/19/why...of-war-crimes/) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...sed-war-crimes) (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middl...al-high-ground)

    Just like the regime has been accused of war crimes (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18437315) (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226451395118) (http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-w.../24617727.html)

    No one is innocent in this situation.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    I think we got her response, after wading through unintelligible bull****. It was that her response would be to blame America, Hillary Clinton, and Obama in that order.

    she doesnt agree with you ,since the begining of this so called spring ,she is trying to force turkey to take military actions............

    if you dont believe in me ,why dont you believe in hillary*

    she may be democrat
    ,but just for you own benefit,when it comes to imperialism. they are teh same.......
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Not false equivalence. A war crime does not change its definition just because instead of killing one person 20 people were killed. A war crime is still a war crime no matter how many people are killed.

    And as to your other question: "The fact is that both sides have committed war crimes and both sides should not be being supported." <----- Reading helps!
    False equivalence.

    They both have done something bad, so we should help neither!
    (as if they are the same)

    Yeah, that's BS.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    bosnians were human too ,but civilized westerners just waited untill they were raped and killed....
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    because you have no opinion about it,you may laugh at me ,but they are regarded as turks in europe...........................
    I can't leave this post unanswered. That part of the world is way too fascinating. You can also have REALLY good house prices all over Bosnia-Herzegovina and Dalmatia. I have never been to these countries, but I hear that they are absolutely beautiful. A statement of a Serbian may be interesting about the Bosnian language, Serbians say it is messed up. What kind of language group is the Bosnian? (I guess it is Turkish.) And they say also that Bosnians are muslims like Albanians, because the Roman Catholic church deserted them. Is this true?

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False equivalence.

    They both have done something bad, so we should help neither!
    (as if they are the same)

    Yeah, that's BS.

    No it is not. Please see the edit I made where I linked to accusations of war crimes on both sides. May be you disagree with it. That's fine, but IMO, I don't do the whole enemy of my enemy is my friend thing. Especially when my "friend" is being supported by Al Qaeda (Frustrated Syrian Rebels Increasingly Turning To Al-Qaeda For Support | ThinkProgress) (Al-Qaida turns tide for rebels in battle for eastern Syria | World news | The Guardian) and certain people in my group of "friends" want to establish an Islamic state (Jihadists join Aleppo fight, eye Islamic state, surgeon says | Reuters)
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