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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

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    Genocide has been happening for some time. Death and destruction as well, sometimes (often times) bolstered by our own involvement. If we just exacerbate the problems, why get involved in the first place?
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Thus, it doesn't seem that Turkey even knows who fired the mortars.
    Nonetheless, the Syrian government must be held responsible, no? Or do we now allow rogue regimes to do what they want and the host country is not liable? I guess, considering Hamas, Hez and Syria itself, that may be the case.

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    Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if you admit you dont know much more about turkey than me ,you can believe in me.....

    people are being killed here for years...if we need a war,it must be with pkk...............

    who had provocated syrians was disloyal turkish government.they have the right to do that!!.
    Sorry, but that would be like trusting an ideological hack for an assessment of American policy just cos they're American. You've done little to convince you're not a hack when it comes to Turkish politics - its all evasion, non sequiters and conspiracy theories.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Sorry, but that would be like trusting an ideological hack for an assessment of American policy just cos they're American. You've done little to convince you're not a hack when it comes to Turkish politics - its all evasion, non sequiters and conspiracy theories.
    Most of us have been following the activities of the Israeli funded PKK since the 1950s.. How about you>

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    Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Most of us have been following the activities of the Israeli funded PKK since the 1950s.. How about you>
    I'm not that old nor do I have a time machine.

    Do you too reckon the appropriate response to syrian shelling is raiding northern Iraq to kill some pkk members?

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Most of us have been following the activities of the Israeli funded PKK since the 1950s.. How about you>
    This was suggested as a potential option by Avigor Lieberman (somewhat controversially i might add) after the Mavi Mammara incident but there is no evidence that this has already happened, least of all since since the 1950s (considering that they where founded in 1978.)

    On a more general note I don't understand why so much emphasis is placed upon whom is funding whom in these debates (especially RE Syria). Sure its important but its not as if the funding explains the existence of these groups, or redeems the behavior of those on the other side. The Yishuv and Israel were both supported by Czechslovakia and the Soviet Union respectively (as indeed was Ataturk) at one stage but no one would argue that Israel has ever been a tool of world communism.

    Likewise, The American revolution was backed by the French but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened otherwise . Nor does it mean that the British where the good guys because they were repelling a foreign power rather than forcing a form of government upon a people that did not want it, which is exactly what Assad is doing. No matter who is supporting the rebels and why, they are fighting a legitimate revolution against a form of government they do not support or consent to, inspired by events in the wider region and no support that they choose to accept (and they would accept it from anyone, as would you) negates that in any way.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    From what I hear, the Turkish govt in Ankara is calling for a NATO conference about this. It seems the question is, does this constitute an attack on Turkey? If so, then NATO has a responsibility to come to the defense of a NATO ally (namely Turkey).


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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Most of us have been following the activities of the Israeli funded PKK since the 1950s.. How about you>
    Considering that most of the forum's members weren't even alive during the 50s, they clearly haven't.
    Considering your absurd claim that the PKK is or ever was funded by Israel, you clearly haven't.

    Oh and by the way, the group was founded on 1978 so yeah you're really quite the historian.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Sorry, but that would be like trusting an ideological hack for an assessment of American policy just cos they're American. You've done little to convince you're not a hack when it comes to Turkish politics - its all evasion, non sequiters and conspiracy theories.


    you admit you dont know,then try to accuse me of being hack.my country is being pushed into a war ,soryy i am just a honest patriotic turk.....thats all!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    If I felt I knew Turkey better than you I wouldn't ask the question. Nothing in that post addresses what you feel an appropriate response would be.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I'm not that old nor do I have a time machine.

    Do you too reckon the appropriate response to syrian shelling is raiding northern Iraq to kill some pkk members?
    ı think you know it better than me!!!!!!!!!!
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