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Turkey fires artillery at Syria

sharon said:
Most of us have been following the activities of the Israeli funded PKK since the 1950s.. How about you>
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This was suggested as a potential option by Avigor Lieberman (somewhat controversially i might add) after the Mavi Mammara incident but there is no evidence that this has already happened, least of all since since the 1950s (considering that they where founded in 1978.)

On a more general note I don't understand why so much emphasis is placed upon whom is funding whom in these debates (especially RE Syria). Sure its important but its not as if the funding explains the existence of these groups, or redeems the behavior of those on the other side. The Yishuv and Israel were both supported by Czechslovakia and the Soviet Union respectively (as indeed was Ataturk) at one stage but no one would argue that Israel has ever been a tool of world communism.

Likewise, The American revolution was backed by the French but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't have happened otherwise . Nor does it mean that the British where the good guys because they were repelling a foreign power rather than forcing a form of government upon a people that did not want it, which is exactly what Assad is doing. No matter who is supporting the rebels and why, they are fighting a legitimate revolution against a form of government they do not support or consent to, inspired by events in the wider region and no support that they choose to accept (and they would accept it from anyone, as would you) negates that in any way.
 
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From what I hear, the Turkish govt in Ankara is calling for a NATO conference about this. It seems the question is, does this constitute an attack on Turkey? If so, then NATO has a responsibility to come to the defense of a NATO ally (namely Turkey).
 
sharon said:
Most of us have been following the activities of the Israeli funded PKK since the 1950s.. How about you>
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Considering that most of the forum's members weren't even alive during the 50s, they clearly haven't.
Considering your absurd claim that the PKK is or ever was funded by Israel, you clearly haven't.

Oh and by the way, the group was founded on 1978 so yeah you're really quite the historian.
 
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Ben K. said:
Sorry, but that would be like trusting an ideological hack for an assessment of American policy just cos they're American. You've done little to convince you're not a hack when it comes to Turkish politics - its all evasion, non sequiters and conspiracy theories.
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you admit you dont know,then try to accuse me of being hack.my country is being pushed into a war ,soryy i am just a honest patriotic turk.....thats all!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ben K. said:
If I felt I knew Turkey better than you I wouldn't ask the question. Nothing in that post addresses what you feel an appropriate response would be.
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hehe :)))))))))))
 
Ben K. said:
I'm not that old nor do I have a time machine.

Do you too reckon the appropriate response to syrian shelling is raiding northern Iraq to kill some pkk members?
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ı think you know it better than me!!!!!!!!!!
 
Medusa said:
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you admit you dont know,then try to accuse me of being hack.my country is being pushed into a war ,soryy i am just a honest patriotic turk.....thats all!!!!!!!!!!!!





hehe :)))))))))))
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You're gonna have to read that statement again. There's no implication that I don't know or you know better. At that point in the exchange, I didn't know.

Yes, I'm aware your country is being drawn into a war. The fact that you want to blame Hillary Clinton and your democratically elected leader rather than a man, who along with his father in the past, kills thousands of his own citizens reeks of the intellectual dishonesty of those who have an irrational axe to grind.
 
Ben K. said:
You're gonna have to read that statement again. There's no implication that I don't know or you know better. At that point in the exchange, I didn't know.

Yes, I'm aware your country is being drawn into a war. The fact that you want to blame Hillary Clinton and your democratically elected leader rather than a man, who along with his father in the past, kills thousands of his own citizens reeks of the intellectual dishonesty of those who have an irrational axe to grind.
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Ben K. said:
If I felt I knew Turkey better than you I wouldn't ask the question. Nothing in that post addresses what you feel an appropriate response would be.
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ecofarm said:
You have no problem ignoring genocides and the intentional starvation of children. So it's not like anything outside the US could be our problem, to you.
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If we do intervene, we are despised, and if we don't intervene, we are despised. I'd prefer to let them handle their own problems, rather than getting in the middle of their disputes. We have obviously stirred up quite enough **** in the ME to last for awhile.
 
lizzie said:
If we do intervene, we are despised, and if we don't intervene, we are despised. I'd prefer to let them handle their own problems, rather than getting in the middle of their disputes. We have obviously stirred up quite enough **** in the ME to last for awhile.
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Unfortunately, the US, the UK, and France have no option to stay neutral or even to be a passive supporter to wars. This is because the very map of the world is drawn by these three.
 
ab9924 said:
Unfortunately, the US, the UK, and France have no option to stay neutral or even to be a passive supporter to wars. This is because the very map of the world is drawn by these three.
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Frankly, let them draw their own freaking maps. I tire of playing wetnurse to the world.
 
lizzie said:
If we do intervene, we are despised, and if we don't intervene, we are despised.
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I don't judge my actions by the actions of others.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't judge my actions by the actions of others.
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Nor do I, but we are not doing them any favors by playing Mommy. We have enough on our own plates, and people who can't learn how to get along need to grow up.
 
ab9924 said:
What is a wetnurse? And how would your gun sales related 401k shares make you suffer losses for it?
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Wetnurse = substitute mother. As for 401K shares, I don't base my opinions on how they benefit me personally. To do otherwise, is to value money over principle.
 
Uzidoesit said:
Both countries are filled with extremists and their leaders are all numnutz.
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Perhaps, but one of them is a member of NATO. That's what concerns me most of all.
 
ab9924 said:
In analogy, for example if China suddenly decided to take Guam away from the US, we would not start calling Guam a foreign land and call it a past. Can you say a little more what you mean?
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i know you would try to invade china .))

but we dont claim to be world power..

but syria isnt trying to take smhting from us for many years.turkish government forced them to fire ....

also ı hate all kind of imperialisms and ottomans were one of them too.

but tehy were not as clever as the westerners.....
 
lizzie said:
Wetnurse = substitute mother. As for 401K shares, I don't base my opinions on how they benefit me personally. To do otherwise, is to value money over principle.
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Welcome to the heart of hearts of US policy making, domestic and foreign?
 
ab9924 said:
Did 2 NATO countries have a war with each other already (Turkey + Greece 1980? almost)?
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greece is always afraid of us ,however he goes on barking ,he cant bite.heheh :))
 
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