Page 16 of 19 FirstFirst ... 61415161718 ... LastLast
Results 151 to 160 of 181

Thread: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

  1. #151
    Libertarian socialist

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Staffs, England
    Last Seen
    12-01-17 @ 11:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    6,730

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Never said that or implied it.
    Well surely by citing 'war crimes' as an example of why one side is not preferable to the other (unless I have you wrong) you are lending it moral value (or at least value of some consequence) ? i think it makes more sence to assess the value of killing pows in itself rather then looking at the legality of it as if it actually means something. Which again brings us to the question of what the rebels are to do with POWs if not kill them?

    I wouldn't even endorse killing POW's i just think the act needs to be judged for what it was, an act for desperation when no other option was available, which contrasts quite strongly with bludgeoning a civilian population into accepting an unjust form of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Of course they are Dave! Remember, anyone who rebels against people we don't like are the good guys! Even if they do have AQ in them and even if they do want an Islamic state.
    Are the FSA supposed to perform background checks as well now? I would accept help from Satan himself if i were in their position.
    Last edited by Red_Dave; 10-04-12 at 05:47 PM.

  2. #152
    Sage
    Medusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Turkey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    38,029

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Turkey doesn't play, and from everything I've heard they have a very good military and would wipe the floor with Syria.
    yes goshin ,but i dont want any war in my country unless we really need it to defend turkey against a serious thread....

    we deserved such an attack from syria,yes aqgain it is innocents who were killed,nothing happened to erdoğan and his team............
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

  3. #153
    Educator / Liar Champion ab9924's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Sharing time between UK and US.
    Last Seen
    11-19-12 @ 10:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    904

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Protecting minority rights, generally through a constitution, is standard procedure in modern western liberal democracy (that being the democracy to which people generally refer). Everyone knows that direct democracy that lacks protections for minorities is a bad thing.
    The problem is that there is nothing that can enforce minority rights authored this way. All is only paper then.

    In the US it took the creation of a territorially based legal administrative division between EQUAL ranks to create such rights. And after that, the word minority became invalidated by the equality, so it was called Electoral College, instead of something like some rights of minor Rhode Island against the de-facto major New York.

    I guess the point is that you can't enforce or even implement minority rights if they are minority rights. The solution is to eliminate the de-facto minority-majority relationship. The easiest to achieve this is a full genocide against the minority. A brilliant theoretical consequence of the initiating premise of democracy. Now let's look for a more humane solution. (Not deportations either.)

  4. #154
    Sage
    Medusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Turkey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    38,029

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Are you talking about an end-of-Soviet-Union style fragmentation of countries as opposed to a French style colonialistic division like the end of Austria-Hungary? I think I agree with you then, and Turkey's future will expand and strengthen if it can do the former style devolution of itself into a community of countries including Kurdistan, Armenia, and others. Yet, speculating even further, if successful, Turkey can even export this and initiate the devolution of European nationalistic tyrants too, such as Romania and most Slavonic states. A really respectable historic contribution to the theory of international political development.
    no i didnt mean it, but i wish such type of administration worked for us .but it seems every federated states are divided one day.what ı am against is ethnic naionalism which the french revolution let it cause troubles in many countries..
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

  5. #155
    A Man Without A Country
    Mr. Invisible's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    12-09-17 @ 06:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    4,957
    Blog Entries
    71

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well surely by citing 'war crimes' as an example of why one side is not preferable to the other (unless I have you wrong) you are lending it moral value (or at least value of some consequence) ? i think it makes more sence to assess the value of killing pows in itself rather then looking at the legality of it as if it actually means something. Which again brings us to the question of what the rebels are to do with POWs if not kill them?

    I wouldn't even endorse killing POW's i just think the act needs to be judged for what it was, an act for desperation when no other option was available, which contrasts quite strongly with bludgeoning a civilian population into accepting an unjust form of government.



    Are the FSA supposed to perform background checks as well now? I would accept help from Satan himself if i were in there position.

    I am not saying they should do background checks, but they have actively stated they would seek help from AQ if the West did not provide it (Syria rebels warn they will turn to Al-Qaeda if West fails them — RT) (Syrian rebels consider joining al Qaeda - The Hill's DEFCON Hill)


    I am using the war crimes that both sides are accused of in conjunction with other evidence that I have presented to back my argument that I support neither side.
    "And in the end, we were all just humans, drunk on the idea that love, only love, could heal our brokenness."

  6. #156
    Educator / Liar Champion ab9924's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Sharing time between UK and US.
    Last Seen
    11-19-12 @ 10:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    904

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    no i didnt mean it, but i wish such type of administration worked for us .but it seems every federated states are divided one day.what ı am against is ethnic naionalism which the french revolution let it cause troubles in many countries..
    I agree with you. I am a victim of this French revolutionary ethnic nationalism myself, because of it is that my family lost its lands, title, everything. Too bad that almost all nation states in Europe decide to choose this type of nationalism. (Tragic, and an insult to God, I think.)

  7. #157
    Libertarian socialist

    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Staffs, England
    Last Seen
    12-01-17 @ 11:26 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    6,730

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I am not saying they should do background checks, but they have actively stated they would seek help from AQ if the West did not provide it (Syria rebels warn they will turn to Al-Qaeda if West fails them — RT) (Syrian rebels consider joining al Qaeda - The Hill's DEFCON Hill)


    I am using the war crimes that both sides are accused of in conjunction with other evidence that I have presented to back my argument that I support neither side.
    Again if Al Qaeda seek to take advantage of their desperation then we should deprive them of the opportunity to do so. Think what would have happened if we had supported the Vietnamese against the French and deprived the Chinese and Soviets of the opportunity to take advantage of the situation?

    What you need to explain here is what is so heinous about these actions other then their illegality, because their illegality itself means didley squat.
    Last edited by Red_Dave; 10-04-12 at 06:08 PM.

  8. #158
    Sage
    Medusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Turkey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:29 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    38,029

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    I agree with you. I am a victim of this French revolutionary ethnic nationalism myself, because of it is that my family lost its lands, title, everything. Too bad that almost all nation states in Europe decide to choose this type of nationalism. (Tragic, and an insult to God, I think.)
    ı understand you .feel sorry for your family
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

  9. #159
    global liberation

    ecofarm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Miami
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:18 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    66,359

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    The easiest to achieve this is a full genocide against the minority. A brilliant theoretical consequence of the initiating premise of democracy. Now let's look for a more humane solution. (Not deportations either.)
    Bold is false. See signature, ecocentrism.

  10. #160
    Educator / Liar Champion ab9924's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Sharing time between UK and US.
    Last Seen
    11-19-12 @ 10:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    904

    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    ı understand you .feel sorry for your family
    Thanks ... although it was 200 years ago ... but still, how much more useful our lives would be now if that hadn't happened ... the whole world would be a nicer place.

Page 16 of 19 FirstFirst ... 61415161718 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •