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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    of course ..tehy werent as interested in those people as they were interested in syria................


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    if teh europeans really wanted to end this humanity tragedy,they would do ,holland is just a sample
    HAHAHA Ironic, this school year I reside in Holland.

    I guess I will never really know about that land until I make a personal contact with someone from there. Maybe next year I should hunt for a Bosnian girlfriend. I became an expert on Hungary thanks to an earlier Hungarian girlfriend. I will become an expert in Bosnia too. For now what I can say is that if I was a Bosnian, I would be very angry at Europe.

    I think the most important word in your article was "enclave". (I mean apart from the horrors.) Does it make sense that the enabler to such attrocities was the mixture of "enclave" and "nationality"? I begin to think that your research here is one extra material that I would be able to use in my usual retoric against the ideology of nation state building. Also, I guess a federated Europe that successfully scrambles the national identities of its constituents would not have behaved in such an enabling way.

    What if we speculate? Now that Europe has so discredited itself with Holland's behavior, which country is best suited to support the survival of Bosnians? I speculate that another nation state would be an unoptimal choice, so what if we search for non-nation states such as Russia, Turkey, various islamic alliances? Or would squeezed nations do for some good in this matter, such as Hungary, Albania, Bulgaria, Western Ukraine, ... ? What's your take?

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Really? Explain how they are "our brothers and sisters?" I have no relatives that are Syrian- at least that I know of.
    All men and women who desire freedom and democracy are my brothers and sisters. I'm not a nationalist, I'm a human rights globalist.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No. I want them to solve their own internal problems. Democracy is a good thing, but it's not something that we can hand them.
    Sorry, I must answer this with a very hasty counter-point, our Founding Fathers went to a great deal to limit democrary with an Electoral College. Democrarcy is not, but a Republic is what we build. In my humble opinion, democracy is an absolutely horrible thing, because of the unchecked power it gives automatically to a majority. See what it did to France. I don't want cultures and civilization to die.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes ı am b rainwashed idiot ,usa doesnt put its nose into everything in this region ,i am fabricating all of these..........

    not "when it comes to usa ," but when it comes to middle east"

    we are not talking about your elections or civl war..
    I'll make you a deal. Stop with the "imperialism" and "evil empire" BS and I'll stop with the Armenian Genocide. But as long as you crap all over my country, don't expect any kid gloves regarding yours.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post

    Well, no I wouldn't say that the differences are pretty small. Once again, please look at the other evidence I have presented in this thread. It plays into why I support neither side.
    Did you mean n't ? presumably if the differences were pretty big then one would be preferable to the other? As i said before i don't find any example particularly convincing, what 'Anti-Assad Gunmen' get up to is not something the FSA as a whole can be held accountable for. And again I would ask where you suggest the rebels should keep POWs? given that they are under no obligation to take prisoners in the first place its likely these people were killed in desperation. Che Guvera shot POWs and I've yet to see you call him a war criminal.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    Sorry, I must answer this with a very hasty counter-point, our Founding Fathers went to a great deal to limit democrary with an Electoral College. Democrarcy is not, but a Republic is what we build. In my humble opinion, democracy is an absolutely horrible thing, because of the unchecked power it gives automatically to a majority. See what it did to France. I don't want cultures and civilization to die.
    We mean democracy in general, not direct-democracy without minority rights. Obviously.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ab9924 View Post
    HAHAHA Ironic, this school year I reside in Holland.

    I guess I will never really know about that land until I make a personal contact with someone from there. Maybe next year I should hunt for a Bosnian girlfriend. I became an expert on Hungary thanks to an earlier Hungarian girlfriend. I will become an expert in Bosnia too. For now what I can say is that if I was a Bosnian, I would be very angry at Europe.

    I think the most important word in your article was "enclave". (I mean apart from the horrors.) Does it make sense that the enabler to such attrocities was the mixture of "enclave" and "nationality"? I begin to think that your research here is one extra material that I would be able to use in my usual retoric against the ideology of nation state building. Also, I guess a federated Europe that successfully scrambles the national identities of its constituents would not have behaved in such an enabling way.

    What if we speculate? Now that Europe has so discredited itself with Holland's behavior, which country is best suited to support the survival of Bosnians? I speculate that another nation state would be an unoptimal choice, so what if we search for non-nation states such as Russia, Turkey, various islamic alliances? Or would squeezed nations do for some good in this matter, such as Hungary, Albania, Bulgaria, Western Ukraine, ... ? What's your take?
    all ı know is they are always two faced when it comes to turkey and the other issues related to turkey.i learnt it well..
    i wish all teh world countries came together to make peace and stop being wild agaşnst each other.

    ı even believe that kurds have the right to have a state too even if they are supported by the majority of the west..but not through Shedding of Blood .turkey is a very special country geopolitically and historically..and it is still a great piece of bacon for many nations.
    i am not paranoiac .i am telling the truth whethewr they like or not..........
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Did you mean n't ? presumably if the differences were pretty big then one would be preferable to the other? As i said before i don't find any example particularly convincing, what 'Anti-Assad Gunmen' get up to is not something the FSA as a whole can be held accountable for. And again I would ask where you suggest the rebels should keep POWs? given that they are under no obligation to take prisoners in the first place its likely these people were killed in desperation. Che Guvera shot POWs and I've yet to see you call him a war criminal.
    Well I haven't read up about Che Guevera. However, if he did shoot POWs then he is in fact a war criminal.
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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We mean democracy in general, not direct-democracy without minority rights. Obviously.
    May I translate this then? We mean democrary not direct-democracy, since the minority rights are what the "common sense" of the majority determins. For obvious examples, see France and its copy-cats, East Europe.

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    Re: Turkey fires artillery at Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Well I haven't read up about Che Guevera. However, if he did shoot POWs then he is in fact a war criminal.
    He didn't just shoot POWs. He was a bloodthirsty, racist, murderous warmonger.

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