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News Anchor's on Air Response to Fat Shaming

I don't really understand why it is "cruel" to say somebody is making terrible decisions with their body by overeating. Crass? Crude? Rude? Sure. But "cruel"? Saying Paul Ryan has the psychometric possibility of being a serial rapist is cruel. Saying somebody is fat? Well, sometimes it's the truth.
 
I'm not saying that people consciously point at the TV and say "I wanna be fat like that lady". But if you think that all the movie characters you've idolized, and figures you've seen on magazines and in comic books and on billboards and television shows and commercials, and all the musicians you've listened to and on and on and on haven't had an effect on the development of who you are and what your attitude about society and health and everything is, then you're kidding yourself.

And I never said "DIRECT effect", but I like how you slipped that in there, lol. This guy...

My role models have a DIRECT effect on me and my behavior. My rolemodels I have met and interacted with, and studied. Thats why I said that. Do those people in the movies ect, affect me directly no. So what they do is not very relevent to me. Thats not to say there is no effect, just that effect is for myself anyhow is very limited and has to be in line with my overarching thinking. They may nuance my thinking and there may be a inovative idea I will lift, but that is the extent of the influence.
 
I don't really understand why it is "cruel" to say somebody is making terrible decisions with their body by overeating. Crass? Crude? Rude? Sure. But "cruel"? Saying Paul Ryan has the psychometric possibility of being a serial rapist is cruel. Saying somebody is fat? Well, sometimes it's the truth.
Saying people's choices are terrible isn't cruel, it's the truth and most of the time the person already knows that. What is cruel is saying they are a bad example, or disgusting, or other commentary that focuses on the person's worth rather than their decisions.
 
Saying people's choices are terrible isn't cruel, it's the truth and most of the time the person already knows that. What is cruel is saying they are a bad example, or disgusting, or other commentary that focuses on the person's worth rather than their decisions.

The problem: They are a bad example of what being healthy is.

Would you use them as an example of what being healthy is? I sure as hell wouldn't.

As far as disgusting or whatever, I didn't see that on the letter so I can't really speak on it. But this person is sure as hell as bad example of what a healthy life should be like. At least on the outside. I don't know if she goes to the gym or tries to eat healthy but I know for a fact I wouldn't use them as an example of a healthy individual. Telling them that isn't cruel, it's realistic. A little rude? That too. But I simply don't see the cruelty in telling somebody that what they're doing to themselves (specially at such a young age) is unhealthy and they should feel bad about it.
 
I believe it was all about someone in the public eye setting an example which does perhaps in a very minuscule way effect society. When one looks around and sees a lot of people overweight one begins to believe it is acceptable and ok, I mean after all most Americans are overweight so it is not an issue right? Perhaps it isnt really anyone elses business but it certainly isn't something to aspire to.

I felt the message was written in a respectful way and the author did not seem to be rude in his question. I think it simply struck a nerve with her, she is probably very aware of her weight and is not happy with it herself.

I just dont understand why anybody would take their valuable time to care. Maybe its just me.
 
I just dont understand why anybody would take their valuable time to care. Maybe its just me.

He explained why the collective health of a society is important. The Romans fell because they got fat and lazy.
 
He explained why the collective health of a society is important. The Romans fell because they got fat and lazy.

I am not a ward of the state, and I dont consider you one either. My health or lack there off is none of your business as it is yours is none of mine. Its a waste of time and thought. The only time it should be our business is when it directly affects us negatively.
 
The problem: They are a bad example of what being healthy is.

Would you use them as an example of what being healthy is? I sure as hell wouldn't.

As far as disgusting or whatever, I didn't see that on the letter so I can't really speak on it. But this person is sure as hell as bad example of what a healthy life should be like. At least on the outside. I don't know if she goes to the gym or tries to eat healthy but I know for a fact I wouldn't use them as an example of a healthy individual. Telling them that isn't cruel, it's realistic. A little rude? That too. But I simply don't see the cruelty in telling somebody that what they're doing to themselves (specially at such a young age) is unhealthy and they should feel bad about it.
An example of being healthy no, at least not on the surface. There is compelling research stating underweight might actually be more dangerous but either extreme isn't the pinnacle of health. The problem I have with the e-mail is that this reporter doesn't claim to be a fitness guru or example of health, someone went out of their way to assign a "duty" where one doesn't exist for her to do her job correctly.
 
I am not a ward of the state, and I dont consider you one either.

Straw man.

My health or lack there off is none of your business as it is yours is none of mine.

Straw man.

Its a waste of time and thought. The only time it should be our business is when it directly affects us negatively.

A nation of fat and unhealthy people affects a society and everyone in it directly.

:shrug:
 
Straw man.



Straw man.



A nation of fat and unhealthy people affects a society and everyone in it directly.

:shrug:

Straw man.
How so?

A nation of fat and unhealthy people affects a society and everyone in it directly.
Again how so?

Should we then tell or force people to comply to norms? If not, then what is the point? How about when they say to go pound sand? Then what?
 
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In general private/public, commenting on physical characteristics is bad etiquette (or worse).
With public figures, entertainers, etc., it comes with the territory, and clearly this person made the choice to make this an issue on-air.



It's not theory, in the general population it's a fact. A fact. A fact. Which is of course how they rationalize it away, by denying it.
Habits, choice, working around ones genetics and preferences, shifting a diet and gradually aquiring healthier taste, things things take work, and some people avoid it. We all rationalize away the things we don't want to do to some degree. For some, this becomes basically a mental condition, a hardcore refusal to admit reality (and it's not just overeating, lots of people do this with lots of behaviors).

The issue here is that liberals want me, involuntarily, to pay for this persons healthcare. And if I have no choice in that, why the **** should you be free to overeat and not exercise, knowing this will cost me more? Chaining them to me (by me providing healthcare money for them) might seem like a good idea, until I drag them with me at a pace they can't keep up with. Then what, we'll have to restrict my freedom to require them to live moderately healthy if I'm paying their way? Surely this is reasonable! :)

Oh here it comes...:roll: You already are paying for people's healthcare. Having them buy their own insurance saves you money.
 
From what I understand, the latest consensus is that no more than 1% of obesity in America is caused by an actual medical condition. That means that 99% of the fat people out there are fat because they're just not doing what they're supposed to be doing. It drives me crazy that this is always the first thing you guys latch onto when the subject is being discussed. It's just not reality. Nothing is making 99/100 of these people fat. They are doing it to themselves.

And I agree about the drug thing. I know that the first FDA approved diet pill hit the market a few years ago, because my GF took it for a little while. It was a big deal at the time, but I haven't heard much about it since. Apparently it's no miracle drug, or I'm sure everyone would be on it.

Care to post a link for that? Knowing how common PCOS and thyroid disorders are, I don't believe that number at all. Not to mention all the medications that cause weight gain. I'm not only talking about medical conditions either, because having a slow metabolism isn't necessarily a medical condition. All I'm saying is that people are different. If you lost weight, great for you. It's not as easy for some. Our bodies have evolved to hold on to every calorie we get and slow our metabolisms when we start to lose weight. It's not easy. If it were, the majority of the country wouldn't be overweight! It's hard to lose weight. That is the reality. Denying that fact and thinking you're better than people who need to lose weight isn't helpful.
 
Care to post a link for that? Knowing how common PCOS and thyroid disorders are, I don't believe that number at all. Not to mention all the medications that cause weight gain. I'm not only talking about medical conditions either, because having a slow metabolism isn't necessarily a medical condition. All I'm saying is that people are different. If you lost weight, great for you. It's not as easy for some. Our bodies have evolved to hold on to every calorie we get and slow our metabolisms when we start to lose weight. It's not easy. If it were, the majority of the country wouldn't be overweight! It's hard to lose weight. That is the reality. Denying that fact and thinking you're better than people who need to lose weight isn't helpful.
My fault. It was genetics, not general medical conditions. The point still stands. Factor in whatever conditions you want, anyone with half a brain and an ounce of common sense and intellectual honesty will know that the vast, vast majority of obesity is caused by choices in lifestyle, and nothing more. I mean, we can literally trace back the rising rates to societal trends towards larger portions, higher calories, and more sedentary lifestyles. The timeline is precise. It's plain as day.

Genetic causes of obesity: 1%? - Wellsphere
The obesity epidemic we are facing today unfolded over the past few decades and can clearly not be explained by changes in the frequency of risk alleles. It is more likely due to a changing social and physical environment that encourages consumption and discourages expenditure of energy, behaviors that are poorly compatible with the genome that we have inherited.

And don't presume to tell me that I had it easier than anyone else. You don't know anything about it. Losing 100 pounds was the hardest thing I've ever done in my entire life, and keeping it off is something I still continue to struggle with almost a decade later. I KNOW EXACTLY how hard it is. I have a very slow metabolism, still to this day. I just accepted the fact a long time ago that I am one of the less fortunate people that is going to have to be ultra disciplined and vigilant about my weight for the rest of my life. Them's the breaks. Some of us have disadvantages, and we make adjustments and work harder as needed. Or we don't work harder and use them as excuses. Simple as. I know all kinds of people who are "trying" to lose weight, and when I look into what they are actually doing, they're really barely trying at all. People lie to themselves. I know because I used to do it too, before I finally pulled my head out of my ass and got serious about it.
 
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This is a response from the person who wrote the letter:

"Given this country's present epidemic of obesity and the many truly horrible diseases related thereto, and considering Jennifer Livingston's fortuitous position in the community, I hope she will finally take advantage of a rare and golden opportunity to influence the health and psychological well-being of Coulee Region children by transforming herself for all of her viewers to see over the next year, and, to that end, I would be absolutely pleased to offer Jennifer any advice or support she would be willing to accept."

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"Ken Krause is an anti-obesity crusader."

Kenneth Krause, personal injury lawyer, wrote letter to Jennifer Livingston calling her obese- Minneapolis - News - The Blotter
 
This is a response from the person who wrote the letter:

"Given this country's present epidemic of obesity and the many truly horrible diseases related thereto, and considering Jennifer Livingston's fortuitous position in the community, I hope she will finally take advantage of a rare and golden opportunity to influence the health and psychological well-being of Coulee Region children by transforming herself for all of her viewers to see over the next year, and, to that end, I would be absolutely pleased to offer Jennifer any advice or support she would be willing to accept."

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"Ken Krause is an anti-obesity crusader."

Kenneth Krause, personal injury lawyer, wrote letter to Jennifer Livingston calling her obese- Minneapolis - News - The Blotter
He's an ass. When I was in radio we got those types all the time always calling in to push their views, and frankly all these groups should be ashamed of themselves.
 
He's an ass. When I was in radio we got those types all the time always calling in to push their views, and frankly all these groups should be ashamed of themselves.

I frankly get turned off by any kind of crusader. Crusades aren't just for religions anymore.;)
 
I frankly get turned off by any kind of crusader. Crusades aren't just for religions anymore.;)
Yep. I probably have a better workout regimen than that guy, difference is I only share when asked.
 
He's an ass. When I was in radio we got those types all the time always calling in to push their views, and frankly all these groups should be ashamed of themselves.

He sounds like a schmuck and should mind his own business. The newswoman was equally schmucky in her behavior regarding this as well. If she does not want to get this type of mail she should not be a public figure, it goes with the territory and she should be more adept at handling this.
 
He sounds like a schmuck and should mind his own business. The newswoman was equally schmucky in her behavior regarding this as well. If she does not want to get this type of mail she should not be a public figure, it goes with the territory and she should be more adept at handling this.

Connery, that was well and susictly said. Bravo. I wish I said it.:)
 
He sounds like a schmuck and should mind his own business. The newswoman was equally schmucky in her behavior regarding this as well. If she does not want to get this type of mail she should not be a public figure, it goes with the territory and she should be more adept at handling this.
Sure, and I can agree to that. My first take was that it was a reader comment section of the show but it looks like a contact e-mail she got. I actually don't blame her for her response, and yes becoming a public figure does invite unwanted scrutiny and contact but it doesn't excuse that kind of e-mail.
 
While she is overweight, the woman is very pretty, IMO. She probably is hypersensitive about her weight because it is OK to bully overweight people now. Everybody does it. Everybody. Maybe she just got tired of it. I applaud her. She could have just ignored it, as I'm sure she's ignored the other 200 that came before this prick's email. Maybe his just got to her in some way.

Besides, people should not be finding role models on TV anyway. She's just on there to report the news. If he doesn't like the way she looks, he can change the channel. Nobody is forcing him to watch her. I have an entire news channel here full of ugly people. I don't watch them. They aren't pleasing for me to look at. Instead of emailing them, though, and saying, "Damn, y'all are ugly. Do something about it," I just change the channel. It's not that hard to do.

The guy was being a gigantic douche nozzle and wanted to force his healthy lifestyle down her throat. Bastards. I hate when people do that, whether it's health nazis, smoke nazis or veganazis.
 
Sure, and I can agree to that. My first take was that it was a reader comment section of the show but it looks like a contact e-mail she got. I actually don't blame her for her response, and yes becoming a public figure does invite unwanted scrutiny and contact but it doesn't excuse that kind of e-mail.

Her private life impacts upon her public life she should expect this.
 
Her private life impacts upon her public life she should expect this.
I disagree. The jackass had a right to contact her, but it doesn't excuse poor behavior.
 
I disagree. The jackass had a right to contact her, but it doesn't excuse poor behavior.

We are talking about two different things. I have already commented on the schmuck's behavior.
 
We are talking about two different things. I have already commented on the schmuck's behavior.
True, but I don't think her public status is an excuse for it.
 
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