Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 42

Thread: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense lay

  1. #1
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 03:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,262

    Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense lay

    Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense layoffs | Fox News

    If a $16 trillion debt wasn't enough for taxpayers to lose sleep over, the Obama administration has offered to pick up the check -- at taxpayer expense -- for legal costs associated with defense industry layoffs should automatic Pentagon cuts be triggered.
    Republicans are now crying foul over the move, accusing the White House of playing politics over the possibility of mass layoffs. At issue are the crush of Pentagon budget cuts set to go into effect starting in January should Congress fail to avert them. Under federal law, many employers are supposed to give 60-day notice of "mass layoffs" if they are considered likely, but the Obama administration for months now has urged companies not to do so.
    Last week, the administration doubled down on that plea by offering to cover legal fees in compensation challenges.

    Even though the (White House budget office) directive purports to protect the defense industry against the costs of not complying with the WARN Act, they cannot guarantee how the courts would rule in such an action. Thus the president has pledged to compound the impact of sequestration by dedicating already scarce resources to cover needless court costs," McKeon said.
    Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., also said it was "troubling that the Obama administration would openly encourage the violation of federal law and offer to pay the legal fees that resulted."
    Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., claimed Obama was trying to prevent layoff notices from hitting mailboxes "right before the election."
    "This is typical Barack Obama politics -- being supportive of the WARN Act when convenient and against it when it creates political downside," Graham said. "This is the most outcome-based White House in memory."

    The notices are required under the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act and generally require employers with more than 100 employees to provide 60-day notices of "mass layoffs if they are reasonably foreseeable."
    This is just getting ridiculous, does anyone in Washington follow the law anymore?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  2. #2
    Politically Correct

    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:43 AM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    2,843
    Blog Entries
    8

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    I agree with Republicans on this one. These people deserve to know their jobs are up in the air, and the taxpayers should not be paying to help Obama avoid negative PR.

    I guess an argument can be made that he is trying to prevent panic in the market, but it comes across far too self-serving to me.
    Last edited by Cameron; 10-02-12 at 12:53 PM.
    (avatar by Thomas Nast)

  3. #3
    Sage
    Mycroft's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:37 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    25,833

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense layoffs | Fox News



    This is just getting ridiculous, does anyone in Washington follow the law anymore?
    Obama has never been one to follow laws, unless he perceived some political benefit from doing so. He really is the worst President we've had. He needs to go.
    TANSTAAFL

    “An armed society is a polite society.”
    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon

  4. #4
    Guru
    Chaddelamancha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    Oregon
    Last Seen
    09-22-17 @ 12:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    3,546

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    The offer to pay the legal fees was included in a memorandum issued by the administration Friday that also restated the Labor Department's position from July that contractors should not issue written notices to employees because of the "uncertainty" over the across-the-board cuts to the defense budget and other federal spending that will occur Jan. 2 unless Congress reaches a new deal.

    The notices are required under the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act and generally require employers with more than 100 employees to provide 60-day notices of "mass layoffs if they are reasonably foreseeable."

    The projected $500 billion in Pentagon cuts under the so-called sequestration will occur because Congress failed to agree on a deficit-reduction plan in the wake of the deal last summer to raise the debt ceiling.

    The guidance issued by the Labor Department this summer stated "it is neither necessary nor appropriate" for federal contractors to issue the warnings.

    The latest memorandum states the federal government would cover employee compensation under the WARN Act -- "irrespective of the outcome" as long as the contractor follows the Labor Department guidelines.

    Read more: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense layoffs | Fox News
    Highlighted some important details here:

    A) There's always the possibility that Congress will reach a new deal. Considering the amount of federal workers this entails, I would be shocked if they didn't.

    B) It doesn't seem like the layoffs are a guarantee. To me, it seems like Obama is confident that Congress will reach a new deal and he is will to compensate the workers if Congress fails to do it's job.

    This isn't about Obama, but Congress yet again failing to do their job.
    Hail to the King baby!

  5. #5
    Sage
    AliHajiSheik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,366

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Highlighted some important details here:

    A) There's always the possibility that Congress will reach a new deal. Considering the amount of federal workers this entails, I would be shocked if they didn't.

    B) It doesn't seem like the layoffs are a guarantee. To me, it seems like Obama is confident that Congress will reach a new deal and he is will to compensate the workers if Congress fails to do it's job.

    This isn't about Obama, but Congress yet again failing to do their job.
    I can see some of what you say, but a business has to plan based upon the current law, not what it could change to in the future. It is Obama's fault alone, not exclusively, but he really didn't support the Simpson-Bowles Commission and because there was not the necessary agreement on the proposals, the cuts and tax increases became mandatory.

    I'm a big fan of zero based budgeting rather than baseline budgeting. Unfortunately Congress isn't in that business.

  6. #6
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:55 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,129

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Highlighted some important details here:

    A) There's always the possibility that Congress will reach a new deal. Considering the amount of federal workers this entails, I would be shocked if they didn't.

    B) It doesn't seem like the layoffs are a guarantee. To me, it seems like Obama is confident that Congress will reach a new deal and he is will to compensate the workers if Congress fails to do it's job.

    This isn't about Obama, but Congress yet again failing to do their job.
    this

    and that Obama deftly eliminated one of their propaganda tools for the upcoming election
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  7. #7
    Educator
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Toronto
    Last Seen
    10-30-15 @ 04:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    922

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I can see some of what you say, but a business has to plan based upon the current law, not what it could change to in the future. It is Obama's fault alone, not exclusively, but he really didn't support the Simpson-Bowles Commission and because there was not the necessary agreement on the proposals, the cuts and tax increases became mandatory.

    I'm a big fan of zero based budgeting rather than baseline budgeting. Unfortunately Congress isn't in that business.
    Of course there is going to be a compromise deal. Not even the teapublicans would be assinine enough to tank a deal.

    It wasn't obama that blew up simpson bowles, it was ryan. He and his congressional cronies voted against it, while all the republican senators on the panel voted for it. Hmmmm.

    Zero based budgeting in government - can you imagine the chaos? It would be fun to watch especially the cat fights when this or that program got x% more or less. Certainly perk things up.
    My Karma ran over your Dogma.

  8. #8
    Guru
    Diogenes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Last Seen
    10-11-13 @ 06:52 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,980

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Chaddelamancha View Post
    Highlighted some important details here:

    A) There's always the possibility that Congress will reach a new deal. Considering the amount of federal workers this entails, I would be shocked if they didn't.

    B) It doesn't seem like the layoffs are a guarantee. To me, it seems like Obama is confident that Congress will reach a new deal and he is will to compensate the workers if Congress fails to do it's job.

    This isn't about Obama, but Congress yet again failing to do their job.
    Perhaps there will be a deal, but there is no deal now and the law requires a 60-day notice of layoffs. No one in the administration has the authority to issue a waiver, and Obama has no authority to compensate either the companies or the workers for legal expenses or lost wages.
    "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
    - Abraham Lincoln

  9. #9
    Guru
    Diogenes's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Last Seen
    10-11-13 @ 06:52 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    4,980

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Of course there is going to be a compromise deal. Not even the teapublicans would be assinine enough to tank a deal.
    But the Obamabots would be asinine enough to tank a deal, just like they did last time.
    "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress & the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."
    - Abraham Lincoln

  10. #10
    Sage
    AliHajiSheik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:03 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,366

    Re: Republicans rip White House for putting tax dollars on line over possible defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Of course there is going to be a compromise deal. Not even the teapublicans would be assinine enough to tank a deal.

    It wasn't obama that blew up simpson bowles, it was ryan. He and his congressional cronies voted against it, while all the republican senators on the panel voted for it. Hmmmm.

    Zero based budgeting in government - can you imagine the chaos? It would be fun to watch especially the cat fights when this or that program got x% more or less. Certainly perk things up.
    You might think that there will be a compromise deal and there might, but businesses have to plan for the law as it is today and since the WARN act has a 60 day notification, they are put in a position to comply with the law. They could just as easily abolish the WARN act but we know that won't happen.

    Yes Ryan was one of the 7 no votes (the no votes included 4 D's and 3 R's) but it's not like Obama lobbied any of the members on how to vote. How about this, more Republican Senators voted for it than Democratic Senators. See, numbers can presented a lot of ways to show bias one way or the other.

Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •