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Hairytic said:
Widespread would be worldwide. This is only within the ME. I wouldn't call what is going on in the ME as mainstream. Far from it.
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That obviously is not what widespread means but even if it was, we've basically seen the same terrorist behavior everywhere where there is a significant Muslim presence. Judging someone based on their race, religion, etc. is no more ignorant than repeatedly dismissing bad behavior to remain politically correct.
 
Gardener said:
What I find interesting is how those who indulge in apologia accuse others of having unrealistic views when their own are equally far from reality.
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I suspect it's the same mentality that Julia Roberts had, when she so naively asked (shortly after 9/11), "Can't we all just get along?" It's an inability to reconcile reality with ideological desires, and understand what the actual issues are. To me, it's a fairytale state of mind, which says differences don't matter, and appearances do.
 
Donahue said:
That obviously is not what widespread means but even if it was, we've basically seen the same terrorist behavior everywhere where there is a significant Muslim presence. Judging someone based on their race, religion, etc. is no more ignorant than repeatedly dismissing bad behavior to remain politically correct.
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Strawman. Nobody is "dismissing bad behavior." The reasonable among us are simply not attributing the bad behavior of a small group to an entire religion.
 
Guy Incognito said:
My advice? Think about what you are saying. I mean step outside of your anger induced irrationality-bubble and really THINK about it. Not too late to retract.
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O ye, it's far more important to deal with these generalisations than the killing of innocent people...
 
Djoop said:
O ye, it's far more important to deal with these generalisations than the killing of innocent people...
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Strawman. Nobody is advocating that we do not deal with the fringe minority that committed these atrocious acts.
 
Gardener said:
I think it is incumbent upon all of us to actually learn a bit about Muslims, especially in regards to the differences between Muslims and Christians, the actual attitudes of Muslims, and the belief systems involved.

Otherwise, we just end up tossing out false equivalences and bland platitudes by comparing the two religions in ways they really are not comparable.
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I don't think it's all that important to learn more about Muslims. THey are a very diverse group just as all religions are. You have your moderates and radicals and everything between. Christians are just as diverse. What we need is more religious tolerance. Muslims and Christians in this country have equal rights and that's all we need to keep intact.
All groups have their more radical members which do not represent the over all group. The radicals are usually the minority in the group, but also the loudest and most troublesome.
 
lizzie said:
It isn't mainstream relative to what we are accustomed to, but unfortunately, it effects us, because we are seeing a gradual movement of likeminded-ness moving into western culture, and for some reason, some refuse to look at it, and address it for what it is.
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I tend to refuse to see things that are not there. I don't see a radical islamic movement moving into western culture. It simply isn't happening.
 
lizzie said:
I suspect it's the same mentality that Julia Roberts had, when she so naively asked (shortly after 9/11), "Can't we all just get along?" It's an inability to reconcile reality with ideological desires, and understand what the actual issues are. To me, it's a fairytale state of mind, which says differences don't matter, and appearances do.
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Fairytale is right, especially in the way people can see two things with obvious differences and declare them the same. For all of those who toss out all these politically correct equivalences between Christianity and Islam, for instance, I would encourage them to at least learn a wee bit, first. Of course doing so would run contrary to their apologetics, but it really does get pretty ridiculous at times how these de rigueur platitudes are just accepted without question or understanding.
 
Donahue said:
That obviously is not what widespread means but even if it was, we've basically seen the same terrorist behavior everywhere where there is a significant Muslim presence. Judging someone based on their race, religion, etc. is no more ignorant than repeatedly dismissing bad behavior to remain politically correct.
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I don't dismiss bad behavior. I simply will not accuse all Muslims of being terrorists just because some Muslims are. I do the same for Christians. I don't call all Christians terrorists because some Christians are.
 
Hairytic said:
I don't think it's all that important to learn more about Muslims.
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Obviously. Your ignorance is necessary to avoid the realizations that might run the risk of creating cognitive dissonance.

Ignorance is bliss as they say.
 
Gardener said:
Obviously. Your ignorance is necessary to avoid the realizations that might run the risk of creating cognitive dissonance.

Ignorance is bliss as they say.
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So, now that you can't get me to agree with you, you resort to the Ignorance accusation. Well, I guess if you can't come up with a reasonable response, it makes you feel better to assume you are the expert and I am the lowly ignorant one. What ever floats your boat.
 
Hairytic said:
I didn't address a lot of your post because you are talking about what is happening in the Middle East. Those things are not happening world wide. There are millions of Muslims worldwide that have nothing to do with the radicals in the ME stiring up unrest. You seem to be trying to make the case that the radical Muslims represent all Muslims. That is simply not the truth.
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What does India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan have to do with the ME? So where were all those Allegedly tolerant Muslims standing in front of all the US Embassies. Telling their fellow practicioners that they shouldnt be hurting anyone. Destroying Property that is not theirs? Where were the Sunni Clerics in the ME? Where were the Religious leaders in the other countries that Rioted. Are you still going to say that it wa just Fringe Groups

You are aware they did not just Protest Embassies. But that of Overseas US Schools and Buisnesses, plus most of Military Installations......Right?

Again what was the Reason Israel, England and Germany were being Rioted for? Since they did not have anything to do with the Film and US Citizen.

Where are all the broadcasts and of all these other Muslims from all over the World outfront condemning what the Sunni Clerics in Egypt Started? Why are they not telling those Religious leaders to step fown. That they have no sway over others anymore? Where is all this preaching of tolerance and accepting us and others? How many Muslims leaders did you say were telling all Muslim to not follow these charlatans. hat these Religious Leaders cannnot be acceptd by Islam?
 
Guy Incognito said:
So, just to make sure I understand you correctly, you are seriously advocating that we should judge an entire religion of a half a billion people by the actions of an infinitesimally small minority? You're sticking to your guns on that, are you?

You sure you wanna go that route?

My advice? Think about what you are saying. I mean step outside of your anger induced irrationality-bubble and really THINK about it. Not too late to retract.
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You and Hairytic make it sound as though we're using a single, isolated incident to lambaste an entire group when in reality it has been a roughly daily occurrence for decades spread throughout the world. It's hard to pick up a newspaper with an international section, like The New York Times, and not see stories of suicide bombers, embassy attacks, etc. involving Muslims. The only non-Muslims I have ever really seen in stories like that are drug cartels - which, I assume you also defend.

At some point political correctness has to give way to the reality that Muslims (and the drug cartels) are clearly not behaving like everyone else. That doesn't mean all Muslims (and drug cartel members) are terrorists, murderers, etc. but enough of them are and it is accepted to make it a reasonable characteristic of the group.
 
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Hairytic said:
I tend to refuse to see things that are not there. I don't see a radical islamic movement moving into western culture. It simply isn't happening.
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It isn't a radical Islamic movement moving into western culture. It's regular moderate Muslims moving to western cultures, and fitting in just fine, for the most part, but this is causing many in western cultures to fail to criticize extremist violence, in fear that we may be seen as intolerant to our new immigrants, whom we don't want to offend. Since western culture is pretty much infused with Christianity as a dominant religion, and we feel comfortable with it, we don't mind calling out Christian nuts over their extreme behavior, whenever and wherever it occurs, but we don't treat Muslims the same. We try to be understanding and tolerant, where no tolerance is called for.
 
Hairytic said:
I don't dismiss bad behavior. I simply will not accuse all Muslims of being terrorists just because some Muslims are. I do the same for Christians. I don't call all Christians terrorists because some Christians are.
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Terrorist behavior is not widespread, common, or accepted among Christians though.

It is among Muslims.
 
Guy Incognito said:
So, just to make sure I understand you correctly, you are seriously advocating that we should judge an entire religion of a half a billion people by the actions of an infinitesimally small minority? You're sticking to your guns on that, are you?

You sure you wanna go that route?

My advice? Think about what you are saying. I mean step outside of your anger induced irrationality-bubble and really THINK about it. Not too late to retract.
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No I am saying we dont have to specialize or divide them down. We just need the message to stand that they are not going to force us to change our Laws due to their own failure in undersanding theirs.
 
lizzie said:
It isn't a radical Islamic movement moving into western culture. It's regular moderate Muslims moving to western cultures, and fitting in just fine, for the most part, but this is causing many in western cultures to fail to criticize extremist violence, in fear that we may be seen as intolerant to our new immigrants, whom we don't want to offend. Since western culture is pretty much infused with Christianity as a dominant religion, and we feel comfortable with it, we don't mind calling out Christian nuts over their extreme behavior, whenever and wherever it occurs, but we don't treat Muslims the same. We try to be understanding and tolerant, where no tolerance is called for.
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I have to disagree. That preacher in Fl who burned Korans didn't seem to mind offending Muslims. There are plenty of radical Christian groups working over time to offend Muslims. When radical Muslims act out, there are a lot of Americans willing to lump all Muslims together and claim Islam is a violent religion. I see it all the time. There have been attacks on US mosques by radical Christians. I don't see that your point is a valid one.
 
MMC said:
What does India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan have to do with the ME? So where were all those Allegedly tolerant Muslims standing in front of all the US Embassies. Telling their fellow practicioners that they shouldnt be hurting anyone. Destroying Property that is not theirs? Where were the Sunni Clerics in the ME? Where were the Religious leaders in the other countries that Rioted. Are you still going to say that it wa just Fringe Groups

You are aware they did not just Protest Embassies. But that of Overseas US Schools and Buisnesses, plus most of Military Installations......Right?

Again what was the Reason Israel, England and Germany were being Rioted for? Since they did not have anything to do with the Film and US Citizen.

Where are all the broadcasts and of all these other Muslims from all over the World outfront condemning what the Sunni Clerics in Egypt Started? Why are they not telling those Religious leaders to step fown. That they have no sway over others anymore? Where is all this preaching of tolerance and accepting us and others? How many Muslims leaders did you say were telling all Muslim to not follow these charlatans. hat these Religious Leaders cannnot be acceptd by Islam?
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I watch a lot of news programs and I have seen a lot of Muslims come out on these programs condeming the actions of these radicals. If you refuse to see the moderate Muslims standing up against the radical ones, that is your fault.
 
Hairytic said:
I tend to refuse to see things that are not there. I don't see a radical islamic movement moving into western culture. It simply isn't happening.
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What about Europe? What about Central and Southa America? Uhm.....what about Right here in the US? India holds the Most Population of Muslims. Canada has a Muslim Migration.

In the US alone more and more Muslim Communties are being built up. So what do we call Muslims who wont acknoledge our Law?
 
Hairytic said:
I have to disagree. That preacher in Fl who burned Korans didn't seem to mind offending Muslims. There are plenty of radical Christian groups working over time to offend Muslims. When radical Muslims act out, there are a lot of Americans willing to lump all Muslims together and claim Islam is a violent religion. I see it all the time. There have been attacks on US mosques by radical Christians. I don't see that your point is a valid one.
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Muslims have been wiping out Coptic Christian Communites that have been around for.....oh like 2-3000 yrs. Couple as recently as last year.
 
Donahue said:
Terrorist behavior is not widespread, common, or accepted among Christians though.

It is among Muslims.
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While radical Christians may not be as violent at the radical Muslims now, they do have their violent members. People who have killed abortion clinic doctors, gays and muslims. There are radical Christians on the TV and radio calling for the killing of world leaders. A lot of the Christian activities are mostly passive aggressive. However, that is not the point. The point is, you can't blame all Muslims or all Christians for what their radical members do. It is dishonest and it solves no problems.
 
MMC said:
What about Europe? What about Central and Southa America? Uhm.....what about Right here in the US? India holds the Most Population of Muslims. Canada has a Muslim Migration.

In the US alone more and more Muslim Communties are being built up. So what do we call Muslims who wont acknoledge our Law?
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You don't get the simple point that all Muslims are not like the radical Muslims. What would you like the US to do? Ban Islam? Muslims have a right in this country to build mosques and practice their religion. If they break the law, they face our judicial system like everyone else does.
 
Hairytic said:
I have to disagree. That preacher in Fl who burned Korans didn't seem to mind offending Muslims. There are plenty of radical Christian groups working over time to offend Muslims. When radical Muslims act out, there are a lot of Americans willing to lump all Muslims together and claim Islam is a violent religion. I see it all the time. There have been attacks on US mosques by radical Christians. I don't see that your point is a valid one.
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The preacher didn't have much support, except in that his free speech rights were defended. As for these radical Christian groups, who are they, and where are they? Certainly, if they exist, they would be making headline news.
 
Wiggen said:
I thought somebody would eventually find a way to blame the President! Thanks for not disappointing!
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I didn't blame the president. You must have a guilty conscious for him.
However, I do blame the president for being a weak shill.
 
Yeah, that's what Osama Bin Laden and most of Al Queda's leadership said. We could ask them if they still feel that way, but of course they're dead so we can't.
 
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