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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post

    His position isn't clear to me, but I'm guessing that he somehow feels that he must defend his personal beliefs, whatever they are.
    I doubt it has anything to do with religious beliefs, and everything to do with defending western democratic freedoms, from all who would like to see them diminished.
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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    That's kinda different than thinking they should be killed, ain't it?

    Heck, having heard about some of the crazy stuff the Church of Scientology does to those who leave their cult, that still isn't as bad as killing them. People mock Scientologists unmercifully, and rightly so, for their harassment of ex cult members, yet they remain silent on the penalty of death under Islam because of political correctness.

    Weird.

    All religions are the same, though, right?
    They are only all the same to those who wish them to be, as a matter of convenience.
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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They are only all the same to those who wish them to be, as a matter of convenience.
    When it comes to all these people who offer that all religions are the same so as to earn the accolades from all the other people who say all religions are the same, I imagine that if they saw a fish and a submarine, they would be quite eager to call them the same as well. After all, both are shaped in fairly similar fashion and move about under the water. THey MUST be the same, right?
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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    When it comes to all these people who offer that all religions are the same so as to earn the accolades from all the other people who say all religions are the same, I imagine that if they saw a fish and a submarine, they would be quite eager to call them the same as well. After all, both are shaped in fairly similar fashion and move about under the water. THey MUST be the same, right?

    All religions are not the same.

    But all fundamentalist nuts..... are the same.

    Fruitcakes all, left and right.

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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    When it comes to all these people who offer that all religions are the same so as to earn the accolades from all the other people who say all religions are the same, I imagine that if they saw a fish and a submarine, they would be quite eager to call them the same as well. After all, both are shaped in fairly similar fashion and move about under the water. THey MUST be the same, right?
    For argument sake all religions are the same, but, the manner in which they choose to worship is quite different and varies from murder to simple prayers. That is where I take exception.

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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Having grown up Christian, with parents who took me to church every time the doors were open, I feel comfortable in saying that Christians actually feel sadness and loss when one of their adherents leaves the fold. They start reflecting on how it could have been a failure on their own part, and they wonder if there is anything they can do to help.
    Having been raised the same way I understand. As with most people the world over I was expected to believe as my parents, my family, my friends, etc. believed. I'm here to tell you darlin' it is no walk through the park vocally disagreeing when your questions can't be answered satisfactorily. Before you realize it you succumb or you remain steadfast. Ain't easy to stand up and disagree. In fact, you are very much seen as being disrespectful to your parents and you are disagreeing with damn near everyone you know. Tell your church, family and friends next week that you cannot accept virgin birth, just for starters. Declare it. Think about doing it much, much earlier in life. Like when you haven't even reached puberty.

    My doubt began, as I remember it, with reincarnation. Next was the garden of eden thing. Following that was virgin birth, I think. Somewhere in there was god being a "he". Did god have penis and balls like me? What did god do with them other than boffing Mary. That honest and serious question hurt, emotionally and psychologically. What was wrong with me that I asked such perverted questions? Why couldn't I just believe like everyone else? Well, I couldn't. I don't know why. I wasn't their fault. It was quite obvious to me that I was the one who was ****ed up because my beliefs were different. My parents, my family, my friends, my church was good and right and correct and I was wrong, terribly wrong. I couldn't get what was soooo easy for everyone else to see. Was there great lament among the parish when I left the church? LOL! I don't think so. It was probably more like relief. My experience, at one age or another, is probably more the exception than the rule.

    I fell backward into Buddhism years later. Zen to be exact. I wasn't looking for anything and Zen wasn't looking for me. For the most part western Buddhism doesn't work that way. That's another story, but it fit. It works for me. I don't recommend it to anyone. All must find their own way. What the hell do I know about anyone else's spiritual needs? LOL!

    Here's what I would share as a western Buddhist who has experience and understanding of two religions. They cannot realistically be compared from one perspective. I wasn't cognizant of that for several years, then I made the transition. Buddhist ethics are often different from Christian ethics. Better? No, just different. We often come to the same point from entirely different positions. It is not in my experience that Buddhist are worried or saddened that most people aren't Buddhists. Most Buddhists have no problem with people having two or more religions. Is that good or better? No. Here is the point, the perspective is often different.

    When I first began practicing Buddhism I evaluated most of what I saw or heard or learned through a Christian perspective. That was the one I was most familiar with. Over the years my perspective has changed. Good? Better? No, different. I do know, however that it is most difficult to judge other religions from a single perspective.

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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    For argument sake all religions are the same, but, the manner in which they choose to worship is quite different and varies from murder to simple prayers. That is where I take exception.

    I agree.


    For me there is no difference between Radical Islam who kill Ambassadors in Lybia or fundamentalists Christians who bomb abortion clinics in USA,


    Nuts all the same. All scum.

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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    All religions are not the same.

    But all fundamentalist nuts..... are the same.

    Fruitcakes all, left and right.
    Mya, may I invite you to have many of my babies?

    I completely and totally agree with you. Fundamentalism is its own religion. We have, unfortunately, many different sects of fundamentalism, but in all they are muuuuuuuuuuch more comparable to each other than the religions they falsely espouse. Taliban, Christiban, Buddhaban, Jewban and on a on. If it is fundamentally religious it is more similar to other fundie beliefs than it is to their espoused faiths.

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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I'm here to tell you darlin' it is no walk through the park vocally disagreeing when your questions can't be answered satisfactorily. Before you realize it you succumb or you remain steadfast. Ain't easy to stand up and disagree. In fact, you are very much seen as being disrespectful to your parents and you are disagreeing with damn near everyone you know. Tell your church, family and friends next week that you cannot accept virgin birth, just for starters. Declare it. Think about doing it much, much earlier in life. Like when you haven't even reached puberty.
    I understand that fully, as it was the same for me, except that I could not imagine how a God would doom others to hell, for merely not having been exposed to Christianity. I understand well that religions are not all the same. They generally have a very similar set of moral concepts, and the Abrahamic religions share some prophets, but that's about the extent of it. Christians are not perfect by any means, as is no other religious group, but if you look at the history of how it spread with western democracy, in spite of the bloody history of the early Christians, it is clear that it is at least compatible with freedom. I have a religious nature, maybe because I was raised that way, or maybe it's just a part of my psychological make-up, regardless of my upbringing.

    Whatever the case,
    even with my religious impulse, freedom of speech is of the utmost importance to me, as I believe it is in our nature to express, create, and expand our minds, even if that expansion is not in necessarily positive directions, and when I see attempts to try and intimidate Americans into limiting our freedoms, I take great offense to that, especially when I see our own citizens seemingly support that, based in a fear of offending those who wish to see our freedoms become limited, because they can't handle criticism of their religious figures. I would take the same approach if it were any religious group doing the same thing. I do not back down from attempts at intimidation, no matter the source.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
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    Re: Muslims Attack Buddhists Over Pic Posted on FaceBook.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I understand that fully, as it was the same for me, except that I could not imagine how a God would doom others to hell, for merely not having been exposed to Christianity. I understand well that religions are not all the same. They generally have a very similar set of moral concepts, and the Abrahamic religions share some prophets, but that's about the extent of it. Christians are not perfect by any means, as is no other religious group, but if you look at the history of how it spread with western democracy, in spite of the bloody history of the early Christians, it is clear that it is at least compatible with freedom. I have a religious nature, maybe because I was raised that way, or maybe it's just a part of my psychological make-up, regardless of my upbringing.

    Whatever the case,
    even with my religious impulse, freedom of speech is of the utmost importance to me, as I believe it is in our nature to express, create, and expand our minds, even if that expansion is not in necessarily positive directions, and when I see attempts to try and intimidate Americans into limiting our freedoms, I take great offense to that, especially when I see our own citizens seemingly support that, based in a fear of offending those who wish to see our freedoms become limited, because they can't handle criticism of their religious figures. I would take the same approach if it were any religious group doing the same thing. I do not back down from attempts at intimidation, no matter the source.
    Lizzie, may I invite you to have my babies? OK, at our age I should rephrase that: "Lizzie, may I invite you to have my grandchildren?" Somehow, I'm not sure that works. WTF, we can practice.

    Seriously, I hear you. Given the chance I'd prefer to live in a world where religion was not necessary. That, of course, is not possible. If I fully accepted Christian beliefs I'd be a Christian. If you fully accepted Buddhist beliefs you'd be a Buddhist. I do believe the coexistence of religions is possible, but not likely. Plan B? I don't have one.

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