"you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos
A MUSLIM is a PRACTITIONER OF ISLAM.
They are the same word!
"God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
-C G Jung
I can't be thankful enough. All this time I truly believed I was criticizing .. these criminals who self identify as Muslims but are in no way representative of the Islamic faith. In reality, my Islamophobia, my unreasonable fear for Islam, just got the better of me. I'm just looking for stuff to blame Islam really. So after years of waiting I finally found something to tar muslims with. So sad, you would almost forget we got to the point people are killed over a picture on Facebook.
The process of converting was slow in the early years, and he was strongly opposed by other Meccans, who accused him of little respect for the religion of the forefathers, which had some resemblance with Islam, but was a polytheistic religion. It's narrated that once there was an ayat where three former Meccan goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, were mentioned as intermediaries, in surah 53.
19 Have you though of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza,
20 and Manat, the third of the?
21 These are intermediaries exalted whose intercession is to be hoped for.
22 Such as they do not forget
But these supposed ayats are not in our present Koran, where this text now is found: 21 Is it the male for you, and female for him?
22 That would have been a crooked division!
There are two interpretations of this: Many Muslim scholars doubt the sources. Some others, among them Western scholars, believe that the first version was an attempt to convince the Meccans to join Islam until surah 17 when these verses were corrected and removed. But the historical fact is that surah 53 was revealed in the 5th year of Prophethood, while surah 17 was revealed in the 11th year of Prophethood and during these 6 years the Meccan leaders, instead of being followers of Islam, they continued to persecute Muslims.
No matter how one interprets this, all scholars seem to agree that the difficult conditions of the first few Muslims are reflected in this story.
Guess ya was a little slow on the Uptake. Note the Meccan leaders were considered Muslim.
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