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UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

The settlement was a slap on the wrist. Several administrative heads should've rolled. Pike should have been subjected to criminal charges.

As for the usual bigots going out of their way to dismiss demonstrators, that just comes with the territory.

I see nothing in the settlement which has any significant chance of discouraging similar police brutality in the future. Egregious violation of free speech rights will continue to be treated as a cost-of-business type expense.
 
I would say he IS describing the job of a police officer, and he lives in SC, where the pay is lower than the norm.

And no, the tax payer WON'T fire police officers for not working off the clock...they will simply have less police.

And how does it work out, where you live, when cops make vocal their ire at being understaffed?

Are the police officers in S.C. non union, because I can assure you no police union I've ever seen would allow someone to be fired for not working off the clock. He claims "an ugly visit from corporate usually means people getting fired". Not only have I never heard a cop refer to their higher ups as corporate, it would actually be worse if it is those who are supposed to be upholding the law who are breaking them. The result of police claiming they are understaffed here? They usually do it around budget time to make sure no cuts effect them. It's pretty effective as a tactic even when shootings are common and their response time is rarely under a half hour.
 
So I suppose you'd sit back and do nothing if someone pepper sprayed your kids in the face. No lasting harm right?

I'll answer that, since I paid for my daughter's college education through years of sacrifice. If she was wasting mine and everyone else's time disrupting the school like this - **** yes, spray away. But my kid is most likely to be the one cheering the police on as they sprayed these morons who should have been kicked from the school right after this. She had respect for the sacrifices I made to get her there and was there for an education and a degree. She didn't fart around like these pampered asshats.
 
Are the police officers in S.C. non union, because I can assure you no police union I've ever seen would allow someone to be fired for not working off the clock. He claims "an ugly visit from corporate usually means people getting fired". Not only have I never heard a cop refer to their higher ups as corporate, it would actually be worse if it is those who are supposed to be upholding the law who are breaking them. The result of police claiming they are understaffed here? They usually do it around budget time to make sure no cuts effect them. It's pretty effective as a tactic even when shootings are common and their response time is rarely under a half hour.

Okay, a few points of correcting information here...

1. I used to be a cop, in SC. I now work for the power company.
2. SC is almost totally non-union. Cops have no union here worth mentioning. The few unions that exist here are almost completely powerless.
3. Pay for cops in SC is often less than 30k a year and rarely ever more than 40k.
4. Yes, I worked unpaid overtime when I was a cop. Mandatory unpaid overtime. Yes, refusal would have gotten me fired.


Maybe you need to get a little more info on these things before making absolute pronouncements.
 
21 students X $30,000 = $630,000 to the students; $370,000 to the attornies + $250,000 awarded to their attorneys separately = $620,000. Not bad.

I don't wanna go overboard with defending the amount these attorneys get.....

but generally in the case of these large rewards the attorneys get no compensation if they lose the case. They (in cases against big companies) will be going up against teams of high paid lawyers that draw out the case for as long as possible. I don't disagree that they aren't too high in some cases but if they were limited you would see a lot less lawsuits that should be fought because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Poor folks would instead of getting a small portion of the rewards to getting none because nobody wants to take on the cases.
 
Okay, a few points of correcting information here...

1. I used to be a cop, in SC. I now work for the power company.
2. SC is almost totally non-union. Cops have no union here worth mentioning. The few unions that exist here are almost completely powerless.
3. Pay for cops in SC is often less than 30k a year and rarely ever more than 40k.
4. Yes, I worked unpaid overtime when I was a cop. Mandatory unpaid overtime. Yes, refusal would have gotten me fired.


Maybe you need to get a little more info on these things before making absolute pronouncements.

Maybe you need to move to a state that isn't looking to revive slavery. Your union was useless, your pay was about 60% of the national average and you were compelled to break the law while supposedly upholding it and all those things are my fault? Sounds more like 10 years of unfettered Republican governors to me.
 
Maybe you need to move to a state that isn't looking to revive slavery. Your union was useless, your pay was about 60% of the national average and you were compelled to break the law while supposedly upholding it and all those things are my fault? Sounds more like 10 years of unfettered Republican governors to me.


As it turns out, most states where unions are strongly supported through state law also tend to be big-government states, with very heavy bureaucracy and forms in triplicate for almost everything except taking a dump. Also there are downsides to unions, like making it harder to GET a job in the first place, and the unions that bleed their host dry (United Auto Workers comes to mind).

Pass.


Also, you claim I said something was your fault... please quote where I said that because I am fairly sure I did not blame you for anything, other than being uninformed about certain things.
 
As it turns out, most states where unions are strongly supported through state law also tend to be big-government states, with very heavy bureaucracy and forms in triplicate for almost everything except taking a dump. Also there are downsides to unions, like making it harder to GET a job in the first place, and the unions that bleed their host dry (United Auto Workers comes to mind).

Pass.


Also, you claim I said something was your fault... please quote where I said that because I am fairly sure I did not blame you for anything, other than being uninformed about certain things.

And you are clearly just as uninformed on others. Police unions, which are they norm here, don't make it one bit harder to become a police officer and provide their members with salary and benefits that are pretty hard to beat these days in a job that only requires a high school education. I can also assure you that you would be making substantially more working for a power company here as they are also primarily union. Since your original complaint centered around how much you have to go through to earn 30k a year, the conclusion I'd reach is you are living in a state that has adopted many conservative positions regarding labor to the predictable detriment of those who actually work for a living. I actually spent five years in a state where employers thought they owned their employees and would never want to repeat the experience. I guess the serf lifestyle just appeals to some and not to others.
 
Yeah, that freedom is a real bitch, right Loki97? How are you any less a serf working for a union?
 
Yeah, that freedom is a real bitch, right Loki97? How are you any less a serf working for a union?

Unions are composed of their members, not corporate executives who look on hourly workers as an expendable resource. They have higher average pay for the same job as their non union counterparts and usually better benefits as well. About the worst thing that can be said about them is they mostly use seniority to determine job advancement. If you are a brown noser looking to blaze your way to the top in six months by inhabiting the boss's colon, it isn't the environment for you. Having worked in an environment where employees had no real protection from management whims, I can state that no one except the bosses' pets were happy there. Strangely, most of the people I hear vilify unions the most are those who have never been part of one and base all their information on propaganda. I don't know of any union workers who would willingly trade their position for a non union one.
 
It's a shame no one at UC Davis exercised their "stand your ground" rights and shot and killed the man that was brutally attacking a bunch of sitting college students.
 
I tend to believe anyone so easily deflected from the pursuit of a higher education by a few hours of noise outside will struggle out in the real world. They need to nut-up and power through. (Having been regaled by many college graduates of their stories of college life an hour or two spent not at the books seems more the routine than a rarity.)

Seems like a whole lot of cryin' over spilt milk... :roll:

Goshin-
Not sure what the list of almost hurts you have gotten over the years means in all this. I'll gladly take what you were paid to almost get hurt when I was getting shot, tore up by shrapnel, torn open pretty good by military barbed wire- THAT is some serious wire, along with a few other 'minor' injuries long since forgotten...

So what is your point?

Anything short of being bit by a dog is OK to do to protesting citizens?

Can we beat them with barbed wire whips?

Anytime a citizen wins a lawsuit after police action you can bet your best barbed wire the payout WILL be higher than the cop's annual salary... again what is your point?

Sawyer-
Perhaps you want to move to a country that treats it's protesters that way... perhaps you would be happier, you seem quite unhappy with the way things are done here.

Whoever posted the cops were being pinned in by the other students- it seems a bit much to accept. The LT was quite quick to spray the sitting students, what, he thought those surrounding the other officers after the spraying were LESS a threat, or violating the peace LESS?
 
And you are clearly just as uninformed on others. Police unions, which are they norm here, don't make it one bit harder to become a police officer and provide their members with salary and benefits that are pretty hard to beat these days in a job that only requires a high school education. I can also assure you that you would be making substantially more working for a power company here as they are also primarily union. Since your original complaint centered around how much you have to go through to earn 30k a year, the conclusion I'd reach is you are living in a state that has adopted many conservative positions regarding labor to the predictable detriment of those who actually work for a living. I actually spent five years in a state where employers thought they owned their employees and would never want to repeat the experience. I guess the serf lifestyle just appeals to some and not to others.


You know, you might find that your ideas would be better recieved if they were presented in a manner that lacked the dickish I'm-smarter-than-you tone.


But, whatever dude.
 
You know, you might find that your ideas would be better recieved if they were presented in a manner that lacked the dickish I'm-smarter-than-you tone.


But, whatever dude.

It wasn't my intention to offend you. Much of what you were saying just reminded me of the people I knew in Indiana who whenever it was pointed out that they were living in essentially a caste society with an incredibly corrupt government and little or no economic opportunity would invariably reply "It's that way everywhere". No it isn't but those who promote such things for their own personal gain are glad people think so.
 
I don't know of any union workers who would willingly trade their position for a non union one.

Then you never met me or anyone like me. I was a union employee. California Teachers Association and later, the California Nurses Association. My hatred of unions is based upon my association with them.
 
It's a shame no one at UC Davis exercised their "stand your ground" rights and shot and killed the man that was brutally attacking a bunch of sitting college students.

Catch a clue, California doesn't allow stand your ground.
 
Go buy a can of pepper spray and take a whiff.

You will see immediately that those students were not sprayed with standard, full strength pepper spray. If they were, they would have been up and running instead of sitting there as if nothing happened.
 
Thank you Hatuey and yes we know dear, now toddle off.

If you know why post an statement which has nothing to do with his point?

Fail?
 
If you know why post an statement which has nothing to do with his point?

Fail?

Fail in comprehension on your part. My response to that idiocy of a statement was to illustrate:
1) that all parts of the statement were untrue
2) the same state that pays money to people who reap the consequences of not following the legal commands of police officers and condones such disturbances in their educational environment, of course they're not going to allow folks to stand their ground. A shining bit of hypocrisy. Only those breaking the damn law can "stand their ground".

Too suble a point for you obviously.
 
Fail in comprehension on your part. My response to that idiocy of a statement was to illustrate:
1) that all parts of the statement were untrue
2) the same state that pays money to people who reap the consequences of not following the legal commands of police officers and condones such disturbances in their educational environment, of course they're not going to allow folks to stand their ground. A shining bit of hypocrisy. Only those breaking the damn law can "stand their ground".

Too suble a point for you obviously.

Brown v. United States.
California Penal Code § 198.5
CALCRIM 506

What nonsense are you spewing?
 
Then you never met me or anyone like me. I was a union employee. California Teachers Association and later, the California Nurses Association. My hatred of unions is based upon my association with them.

Doesn't surprise me a bit. If you read my qualification of those who wouldn't like a union environment, I can see you fitting it perfectly with your obvious adoration of authority and abuse of power. I have met plenty of people like you and the name we had for them was for less polite than brown noser.
 
I'll answer that, since I paid for my daughter's college education through years of sacrifice. If she was wasting mine and everyone else's time disrupting the school like this - **** yes, spray away. But my kid is most likely to be the one cheering the police on as they sprayed these morons who should have been kicked from the school right after this. She had respect for the sacrifices I made to get her there and was there for an education and a degree. She didn't fart around like these pampered asshats.

Your kid would cheer on police brutality and would oppose first amendment rights? That's sad. Maybe you can sit down and talk with her about that.
 
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