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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bud, an "ugly visit from Corporate" usually means people getting fired. Maybe you've noticed, jobs aren't exactly falling off trees like ripe pecans just the now.
    So you reward your employer for forcing you to break the law and take money out of your own pocket in the process. Until workers start to stand up and refuse to continue to allow their already limited workplace rights to be even further eroded it is just going to get worse. ALL your boss cares about is the money in his pocket and I'm sure he can think up a number of new ways to increase that at your detriment. It is illegal to coerce an employee to work off the clock to avoid paying overtime. To date, Walmart has had to pay out over 700M because of overtime violations. Your continuing to enable this type of activity is only going to encourage your employer to see what else they can get away with.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    First of all, the damages may be meant to be punitive to make sure the university gets the message loud and clear. Secondly, anyone who works off the clock just to satisfy a bosses unrealistic expectations is making a fool of themselves. Of course if the current GOP got their way we would all be indentured servants without any rights to protect us from abusive employers.
    I believe he is a police officer. So....er.....the abusive employer would be....us.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    So you reward your employer for forcing you to break the law and take money out of your own pocket in the process. Until workers start to stand up and refuse to continue to allow their already limited workplace rights to be even further eroded it is just going to get worse. ALL your boss cares about is the money in his pocket and I'm sure he can think up a number of new ways to increase that at your detriment. It is illegal to coerce an employee to work off the clock to avoid paying overtime. To date, Walmart has had to pay out over 700M because of overtime violations. Your continuing to enable this type of activity is only going to encourage your employer to see what else they can get away with.
    I believe he is a police officer. I doubt he is forced to stay on the job off the clock, as that is illegal, regardless of field of work. But he does so, because he understands that his salary is paid via taxes, and if their are fewer taxes, because there are fewer people making less money, then there is less payroll for his job. But he also understand that less payroll does not equal less potential or realized crime.



    Far be it for me to speak for another person....and I could be 180 off, here. But instead of talking the way you are to him, you outa be calling the dude a saint. Cuz, lord knows, TEACHERS sure as **** don't think like he does.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I believe he is a police officer. I doubt he is forced to stay on the job off the clock, as that is illegal, regardless of field of work. But he does so, because he understands that his salary is paid via taxes, and if their are fewer taxes, because there are fewer people making less money, then there is less payroll for his job. But he also understand that less payroll does not equal less potential or realized crime.



    Far be it for me to speak for another person....and I could be 180 off, here. But instead of talking the way you are to him, you outa be calling the dude a saint. Cuz, lord knows, TEACHERS sure as **** don't think like he does.
    Based on his description of the job hazards he has faced I am not convinced he is describing the job of a police officer. His statement that the 30k each student receives would equal his yearly salary would also put him well below the average for a LEO(about 60%). Even if he is, it isn't the taxpayer who is the boss coming by that will fire people if he doesn't work off the clock. I don't know about where you live but the police here have no problem making it very well known when they feel they are understaffed. My point was that by working off the clock to appease his boss, he is just encouraging the boss to expect that from others and financially rewarding someone for breaking the law.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    Based on his description of the job hazards he has faced I am not convinced he is describing the job of a police officer. His statement that the 30k each student receives would equal his yearly salary would also put him well below the average for a LEO(about 60%). Even if he is, it isn't the taxpayer who is the boss coming by that will fire people if he doesn't work off the clock. I don't know about where you live but the police here have no problem making it very well known when they feel they are understaffed. My point was that by working off the clock to appease his boss, he is just encouraging the boss to expect that from others and financially rewarding someone for breaking the law.
    I would say he IS describing the job of a police officer, and he lives in SC, where the pay is lower than the norm.

    And no, the tax payer WON'T fire police officers for not working off the clock...they will simply have less police.

    And how does it work out, where you live, when cops make vocal their ire at being understaffed?
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    The settlement was a slap on the wrist. Several administrative heads should've rolled. Pike should have been subjected to criminal charges.

    As for the usual bigots going out of their way to dismiss demonstrators, that just comes with the territory.

    I see nothing in the settlement which has any significant chance of discouraging similar police brutality in the future. Egregious violation of free speech rights will continue to be treated as a cost-of-business type expense.
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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I would say he IS describing the job of a police officer, and he lives in SC, where the pay is lower than the norm.

    And no, the tax payer WON'T fire police officers for not working off the clock...they will simply have less police.

    And how does it work out, where you live, when cops make vocal their ire at being understaffed?
    Are the police officers in S.C. non union, because I can assure you no police union I've ever seen would allow someone to be fired for not working off the clock. He claims "an ugly visit from corporate usually means people getting fired". Not only have I never heard a cop refer to their higher ups as corporate, it would actually be worse if it is those who are supposed to be upholding the law who are breaking them. The result of police claiming they are understaffed here? They usually do it around budget time to make sure no cuts effect them. It's pretty effective as a tactic even when shootings are common and their response time is rarely under a half hour.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So I suppose you'd sit back and do nothing if someone pepper sprayed your kids in the face. No lasting harm right?
    I'll answer that, since I paid for my daughter's college education through years of sacrifice. If she was wasting mine and everyone else's time disrupting the school like this - **** yes, spray away. But my kid is most likely to be the one cheering the police on as they sprayed these morons who should have been kicked from the school right after this. She had respect for the sacrifices I made to get her there and was there for an education and a degree. She didn't fart around like these pampered asshats.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Loki97 View Post
    Are the police officers in S.C. non union, because I can assure you no police union I've ever seen would allow someone to be fired for not working off the clock. He claims "an ugly visit from corporate usually means people getting fired". Not only have I never heard a cop refer to their higher ups as corporate, it would actually be worse if it is those who are supposed to be upholding the law who are breaking them. The result of police claiming they are understaffed here? They usually do it around budget time to make sure no cuts effect them. It's pretty effective as a tactic even when shootings are common and their response time is rarely under a half hour.
    Okay, a few points of correcting information here...

    1. I used to be a cop, in SC. I now work for the power company.
    2. SC is almost totally non-union. Cops have no union here worth mentioning. The few unions that exist here are almost completely powerless.
    3. Pay for cops in SC is often less than 30k a year and rarely ever more than 40k.
    4. Yes, I worked unpaid overtime when I was a cop. Mandatory unpaid overtime. Yes, refusal would have gotten me fired.


    Maybe you need to get a little more info on these things before making absolute pronouncements.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    21 students X $30,000 = $630,000 to the students; $370,000 to the attornies + $250,000 awarded to their attorneys separately = $620,000. Not bad.
    I don't wanna go overboard with defending the amount these attorneys get.....

    but generally in the case of these large rewards the attorneys get no compensation if they lose the case. They (in cases against big companies) will be going up against teams of high paid lawyers that draw out the case for as long as possible. I don't disagree that they aren't too high in some cases but if they were limited you would see a lot less lawsuits that should be fought because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. Poor folks would instead of getting a small portion of the rewards to getting none because nobody wants to take on the cases.
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