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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I guess perhaps I have a bit more mental discipline then. People exercising their rights won't get me up in arms and I'll find ways to get my stuff done even with others exercising their rights. Go to the library if you need to study.
    You right to swing your fist ends at my nose. Their rights to PEACEABLE protest end when they are disrupting the education I PAY for.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True. You know the difference?.... I expect to be accousted, assaulted, beaten, shot, etc... if/when I step outside the law and get caught at it. I understand that potential and I accept it. If the potential response is too problematic for my tastes, I don't step outside the line.
    So law and order is important only when you agree with it, then stop pretending it is a personal value. It's not. It's just something that you claim when convenient.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You right to swing your fist ends at my nose. Their rights to PEACEABLE protest end when they are disrupting the education I PAY for.
    As I said, it really doesn't. It only does if you're trying to harp on the point.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They also have permits. And I guarantee you if they are asked to disperse, and don't, they get sprayed too.



    Nonsense. Pepper spray is often used when folks don't comply with orders to disperse, INSTEAD OF actual physical violence.
    Passive forms of protest like sitting down are not justification for pepper spray. Protestors who are throwing rocks sure, but violently attacking harmless individuals is illegal and wrong.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So law and order is important only when you agree with it, then stop pretending it is a personal value. It's not. It's just something that you claim when convenient.
    No, what you miss is that Law and Order are actually not defined by the Laws of MAN but by a much higher power. That is what gives me the Right to ignore the Laws of Man which are contrary to Universal Right and Wrong.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I said, it really doesn't. It only does if you're trying to harp on the point.
    You can keep repeating it, doesn't make it any more true. And it so good to hear that you disagree with Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No, what you miss is that Law and Order are actually not defined by the Laws of MAN but by a much higher power. That is what gives me the Right to ignore the Laws of Man which are contrary to Universal Right and Wrong.
    So your belief in law and order is not real law and order, but the law and order that you imagine and has special rules just for you - great. You really should specify, when you laud your "high morals" about "law and order", that you are, in fact, merely using those terms to describe your own imagination about these things.

    It's not so different than someone soapboxing about "equal rights", only to discover that their "equal rights" does not include gays and women. Yet they persist in "I support equal rights" without the rather important qualifier "that I agree with".

    It's dishonest.
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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You can keep repeating it, doesn't make it any more true. And it so good to hear that you disagree with Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
    Of course not. What I said is already true. Repeating truth doesn't make it truthier, just sadly that it must necessarily be repeated.
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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Passive forms of protest like sitting down are not justification for pepper spray. Protestors who are throwing rocks sure, but violently attacking harmless individuals is illegal and wrong.
    I disagree. I also disagree with your characterization of the protesters in this incident. This was a non-permitted assembly that was loud and disruptive, interfering with the other students who are there to gain an education at great personal expense. They were asked many times to disperse, KNEW exactly what would happen if they didn't, and got sprayed. None of them suffered ANY lasting adverse effects.
    Last edited by clownboy; 09-27-12 at 05:00 PM.

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    Re: UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course not. What I said is already true. Repeating truth doesn't make it truthier, just sadly that it must necessarily be repeated.
    Again, it's you harping on a point that has no foundation. Calling it "truth" does not make it so. There is no right to disrupt.

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