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UC Davis in $1M Pepper Spray Settlement

Bull****. They weren't just blocking foot traffic. And the whole deal with protesters is to be loud enough to NOT be ignored. You've obviously never been trying to study when the protests are going on.

And what were they protesting? Anything that had anything at all to do with the school that others were trying to attend for an education? No of course not. About as useless on campus as a drum circle.

I guess perhaps I have a bit more mental discipline then. People exercising their rights won't get me up in arms and I'll find ways to get my stuff done even with others exercising their rights. Go to the library if you need to study.
 
They didn't say how much of it the lawyers got, did they?

21 students X $30,000 = $630,000 to the students; $370,000 to the attornies + $250,000 awarded to their attorneys separately = $620,000. Not bad.
 
Of course you would, and you would likely categorize any dissent or distrust as "hatred" as well. You only prove my point.

No. Just dissent that blocks a public location, without a permit or a point.

I know cause you totally couldn't have walked around or gone to class some other route, ignoring the whole of it the entire way.

You don't let a small bit of cancer grow just because it isn't bothering you at the moment. You stamp it out immediately, before it grows into something larger and more problematic.

Good thing law & order don't trump freedom of speech in all cases.

They SHOULD.
 
And yet you disregard law and order when you see fit.

True. You know the difference?.... I expect to be accousted, assaulted, beaten, shot, etc... if/when I step outside the law and get caught at it. I understand that potential and I accept it. If the potential response is too problematic for my tastes, I don't step outside the line.
 
You are entirely missing the point Clownboy. People protest in San Francisco all the time for plenty of stupid reasons and often do annoying things like blocking traffic. If they are too disruptive, they get arrested. None of that is the problem.

They also have permits. And I guarantee you if they are asked to disperse, and don't, they get sprayed too.

What is utterly unacceptable is pepper spraying a harmless group of individuals sitting on the ground. Inflicting physical violence upon another person is only legal as a defensive measure, not simply because you don't like the people in question.

Nonsense. Pepper spray is often used when folks don't comply with orders to disperse, INSTEAD OF actual physical violence.
 
I guess perhaps I have a bit more mental discipline then. People exercising their rights won't get me up in arms and I'll find ways to get my stuff done even with others exercising their rights. Go to the library if you need to study.

You right to swing your fist ends at my nose. Their rights to PEACEABLE protest end when they are disrupting the education I PAY for.
 
True. You know the difference?.... I expect to be accousted, assaulted, beaten, shot, etc... if/when I step outside the law and get caught at it. I understand that potential and I accept it. If the potential response is too problematic for my tastes, I don't step outside the line.

So law and order is important only when you agree with it, then stop pretending it is a personal value. It's not. It's just something that you claim when convenient.
 
You right to swing your fist ends at my nose. Their rights to PEACEABLE protest end when they are disrupting the education I PAY for.

As I said, it really doesn't. It only does if you're trying to harp on the point.
 
They also have permits. And I guarantee you if they are asked to disperse, and don't, they get sprayed too.



Nonsense. Pepper spray is often used when folks don't comply with orders to disperse, INSTEAD OF actual physical violence.

Passive forms of protest like sitting down are not justification for pepper spray. Protestors who are throwing rocks sure, but violently attacking harmless individuals is illegal and wrong.
 
So law and order is important only when you agree with it, then stop pretending it is a personal value. It's not. It's just something that you claim when convenient.

No, what you miss is that Law and Order are actually not defined by the Laws of MAN but by a much higher power. That is what gives me the Right to ignore the Laws of Man which are contrary to Universal Right and Wrong.
 
As I said, it really doesn't. It only does if you're trying to harp on the point.

You can keep repeating it, doesn't make it any more true. And it so good to hear that you disagree with Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
 
No, what you miss is that Law and Order are actually not defined by the Laws of MAN but by a much higher power. That is what gives me the Right to ignore the Laws of Man which are contrary to Universal Right and Wrong.

So your belief in law and order is not real law and order, but the law and order that you imagine and has special rules just for you - great. You really should specify, when you laud your "high morals" about "law and order", that you are, in fact, merely using those terms to describe your own imagination about these things.

It's not so different than someone soapboxing about "equal rights", only to discover that their "equal rights" does not include gays and women. Yet they persist in "I support equal rights" without the rather important qualifier "that I agree with".

It's dishonest.
 
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You can keep repeating it, doesn't make it any more true. And it so good to hear that you disagree with Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

Of course not. What I said is already true. Repeating truth doesn't make it truthier, just sadly that it must necessarily be repeated.
 
Passive forms of protest like sitting down are not justification for pepper spray. Protestors who are throwing rocks sure, but violently attacking harmless individuals is illegal and wrong.

I disagree. I also disagree with your characterization of the protesters in this incident. This was a non-permitted assembly that was loud and disruptive, interfering with the other students who are there to gain an education at great personal expense. They were asked many times to disperse, KNEW exactly what would happen if they didn't, and got sprayed. None of them suffered ANY lasting adverse effects.
 
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Of course not. What I said is already true. Repeating truth doesn't make it truthier, just sadly that it must necessarily be repeated.

Again, it's you harping on a point that has no foundation. Calling it "truth" does not make it so. There is no right to disrupt.
 
Again, it's you harping on a point that has no foundation. Calling it "truth" does not make it so. There is no right to disrupt.

There is no right to not be disrupted. There is, however, right to peaceful assembly, association, and redress.
 
There is no right to not be disrupted.

Actually, yes, there is law in every jurisdiction that protects against individuals or groups disturbing the peace. That is why such assemblies require a permit - to make room for everyone's rights.
 
Actually, yes, there is law in every jurisdiction that protects against individuals or groups disturbing the peace. That is why such assemblies require a permit.

There are lots of overreaching laws, including things like "free speech zones" for our conventions in order to curb freedom of expression and protest. That doesn't mean they are rightful laws. You are talking a convenience vs and actual right, and convenience doesn't beat rights.
 
OK, then let's be fair about this. Please post the full video (as opposed to the "heavily edited video") so that we can decide for ourselves if this is true. Because it sure looked to me like the officer was leisurely walking down a line of students sitting on the ground and casually pepper spraying them. If I'm wrong about this and it was just some fancy video-editing, let's see your proof.

Yeah, sorry. I usually post with the stuff I have, but that was done on my phone. Occupy Protesters Blockade UC Davis Police - YouTube There are other full accts, but I'm at work and this is the first one I found. Of course, I could post dozens of the edited ones for every full version shown. Most people don't want the whole story.
 
Wow, where do I sign up for the next pepper spraying? I'll do it for a 10th of what these students got... who am I kidding, I'll do it for 1/25!
 
Fixed.

"Students will pay The University of California regents to pay about $1 million to 21 UC Davis current and former students who were pepper-sprayed during a peaceful campus protest last November."
 
Whereas I believe hatred for LAW & ORDER have no place in ANY civilization.

Neither fear from LAW & ORDER have place in any civilization...
 
I disagree. I also disagree with your characterization of the protesters in this incident. This was a non-permitted assembly that was loud and disruptive, interfering with the other students who are there to gain an education at great personal expense. They were asked many times to disperse, KNEW exactly what would happen if they didn't, and got sprayed. None of them suffered ANY lasting adverse effects.

The situation at Davis could have been resolved without pepper spraying anyone in the face, as it was in countless other protests at the time. There was no physical threat or stressful circumstance which required the use of force. The illegal and unjustified attack on the protestors exacerbated the situation rather than defusing it. State sanctioned violence is not a tool to be used on people sitting peacefully on the ground, regardless of whether it annoys other people or not.
 
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