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Texas district’s new policy allows educators of either gender to paddle male, female

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Texas district’s new policy allows educators of either gender to paddle male, female students - The Washington Post

Like many schools in Texas, “spare the rod and spoil the child” might be considered the motto at Springtown High School. But when two teenage girls there reportedly suffered bruises after being paddled by male assistant principals, some parents complained. They weren’t upset about the punishment itself, but instead that the school violated the policy requiring an educator of the same sex as the student to dole out the paddling.


So the school district has changed its policy — to expand, not abolish, corporal punishment. Board members voted Monday night to let administrators paddle students of the opposite sex, after Superintendent Michael Kelley cited a lack of women administrators to carry out spankings.
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"Yeah, yeah," you might be thinking while rolling your eyes. "Texas." But then I came across this later in the article.

Texas is one of 19 states allowing schools to spank students
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Boy, just when you think you know your own country.
 
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Well, I am against corporal punishment in general but I can still understand it being used on young children. What good does spanking a teenager do? And why the hell is the school doing it?
 
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Sarcogito said:
Well, I am against corporal punishment in general but I can still understand it being used on young children. What good does spanking a teenager do? And why the hell is the school doing it?
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Young children are the ones you really want to avoid using corporal punishment on as it leads to behavioral problems later in life. There is a link between non-abusive corporal punishment and antisocial tendencies later on, as well as increased risk of substance abuse.

Study links physical punishment of kids to adult mental disorders

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In "Corporal Punishment by Mothers and Child's Cognitive Development: A Longitudinal Study" (Family Research Laboratory, University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH; a paper presented at the 14th World Congress of Sociology, Montreal, Quebec, Canada, 1998), Murray A. Straus and Mallie J. Paschall found that corporal punishment was associated with a child's failure to keep up with the average rate of cognitive development.

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COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT. Straus and Paschall found that the more prevalent the corporal punishment, the greater the decrease in cognitive ability. Considering other studies, which showed that talking to children, including infants, is associated with increased neural connections in the brain and cognitive functioning, the researchers hypothesized that if parents are not using corporal punishment to discipline their child, they are very likely verbally interacting with that child, thus positively affecting cognitive development.
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http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1401/Causes-Effects-Child-Abuse-CORPORAL-PUNISHMENT.html

Decreased cognitive abilities is hardly the result anyone wants from sending their children to school.
 
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I disagree with officials paddling the opposite gender (but in private, between adults, I heartily endorse it....*naughty schoolgirls* *drool*)

...I can't be the only one who's now thinking about naughty schoolgirls who need to be paddled :twisted:
 
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ChunkySalsa said:
I disagree with officials paddling the opposite gender (but in private, between adults, I heartily endorse it....*naughty schoolgirls* *drool*)

...I can't be the only one who's now thinking about naughty schoolgirls who need to be paddled :twisted:
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Excon said:
There is nothing wrong with licks. Especially when it is by choice.
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Whose choice?
 
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Absolutely nothing wrong with kids getting paddled at school. If they got paddled a bit more at HOME, maybe the schools wouldn't need to do it. Corporal Punishment is a good and necessary part of the upbringing of a child, and always has been. It's not like these kids are being spanked on a bare bottom folks.
 
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Cardinal said:
Whose choice?
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It should be the kids choice with a release from the parents already on file.
If not then, the kids choice as agreed to by the parent.

I missed the bus one day. Walked 10 miles to school, I was late. Choice between detention and licks. I chose licks.
 
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Tigger said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with kids getting paddled at school.
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Would it be wrong for the teachers to be "paddled" if they misbehave? What is the moral difference between using violence to punish a 17 year old student and a 25 year old teacher?
 
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HonestJoe said:
Would it be wrong for the teachers to be "paddled" if they misbehave? What is the moral difference between using violence to punish a 17 year old student and a 25 year old teacher?
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The 25 year old is an Adult, legally. The 17 year old is still a child. Therefore, the only authority the 25 year old is universally answerable to is the Government.
 
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Excon said:
It should be the kids choice with a release from the parents already on file.
If not then, the kids choice as agreed to by the parent.

I missed the bus one day. Walked 10 miles to school, I was late. Choice between detention and licks. I chose licks.
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That's an option, I suppose. Another option would be to pay attention to behavioral studies that find long term psychological damage in young children due to corporal punishment.
 
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Cardinal said:
That's an option, I suppose. Another option would be to pay attention to behavioral studies that find long term psychological damage in young children due to corporal punishment.
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Again, if the parents take care of it at home it shouldn't be an issue at school. I never feared getting in trouble at school. I feared the response of my parents after I got HOME much more. Especially at the Middle School and High School level, where most of the instructors I had knew my father personally.
 
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Tigger said:
Again, if the parents take care of it at home it shouldn't be an issue at school. I never feared getting in trouble at school. I feared the response of my parents after I got HOME much more. Especially at the Middle School and High School level, where most of the instructors I had knew my father personally.
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Thank you for your non-sequitur.
 
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I tell you one thing.

Any teacher lays a finger on my kid in this manner, they better ****ing call the National Guard cause I'm goin Seal Team 6 on their asses.
 
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Tigger said:
The 25 year old is an Adult, legally. The 17 year old is still a child. Therefore, the only authority the 25 year old is universally answerable to is the Government.
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I asked what the moral difference is, not the legal one though there are plenty of legal rights that extend to adults and children alike.

Anyway, public school teachers are employed by the government so the question still stands - would it be morally or legally legitimate for public schools to introduce punishment beatings for misbehaved staff in exactly the same way they do for misbehaved students? If it's such an effective and important measure, why shouldn't it be extended to adults too?
 
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Tigger said:
The 25 year old is an Adult, legally. The 17 year old is still a child. Therefore, the only authority the 25 year old is universally answerable to is the Government.
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Good, so let's go Heinlein-style public lashings as punishment for crimes.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
I tell you one thing.

Any teacher lays a finger on my kid in this manner, they better ****ing call the National Guard cause I'm goin Seal Team 6 on their asses.
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Whereas the fact that they can't/don't is part of the reason no child of mine would ever go to a public school.

HonestJoe said:
I asked what the moral difference is, not the legal one though there are plenty of legal rights that extend to adults and children alike.

Anyway, public school teachers are employed by the government so the question still stands - would it be morally or legally legitimate for public schools to introduce punishment beatings for misbehaved staff in exactly the same way they do for misbehaved students? If it's such an effective and important measure, why shouldn't it be extended to adults too?
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I wouldn't have a problem with the teachers being disciplined as well, though I believe we both know that the legal system and their union would never stand for it.

spud_meister said:
Good, so let's go Heinlein-style public lashings as punishment for crimes.
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That works for me, spud.
 
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Tigger said:
Whereas the fact that they can't/don't is part of the reason no child of mine would ever go to a public school.
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You should never be allowed to reproduce.
 
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Cardinal said:
Young children are the ones you really want to avoid using corporal punishment on as it leads to behavioral problems later in life. There is a link between non-abusive corporal punishment and antisocial tendencies later on, as well as increased risk of substance abuse.

Study links physical punishment of kids to adult mental disorders

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Causes and Effects of Child Abuse - Corporal Punishment - Children, Parents, Spanking, and Studies

Decreased cognitive abilities is hardly the result anyone wants from sending their children to school.
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I think you'll find that corporal punishment in itself doesn't lead to anti-social behaviour because not all kids whose parents use corporal punishment exhibit anti-social behavior. There are usually a variety of factors on top of the coporal punishment that lead to anti-social behavior. How it is administered, the makeup of the person who is administering, how the kid is generally treated by their parents, the relationship between the parents, the respect and love shown between parent and child, etc., etc., There are plenty of kids with anti-social behavior that never recieved a spanking. As for the school administering it, that is kind of a dicey situation. It probably shouldn't exist in public schools generally speaking. There is not enough support for it and a level of trust between school personnel and parents for it to be effective.
 
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I guess my local news had a lot more on this story.
The Girl was a straight A student, who got into in school suspension (ISS) for some
infraction.
She did not want to waste her time in (ISS), and the school has a policy that allows
students to choose to be paddled instead of (ISS).
Where all of this broke down, was there was not a Female teacher who would do the paddling,
so with another teacher present, a Male teacher paddled her.
The second breakdown came when she and her mother thought the paddling was too rough. (Left marks)
But keep in mind the student choose to be paddled.
 
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Two alternatives. Have the principal announce to the school they he just paddled Johnny but don't paddle him. Let's the ribbing he gets suffice as punishment.

Or, have little Johnny paint the school, there are plenty of schools that need a new coat of paint with the offending child.

As for going Seal Team Six on the school board. Lighten up, Francis.
 
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FYI, the parents have to sign a form giving consent for this change.
 
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Cardinal said:
Young children are the ones you really want to avoid using corporal punishment on as it leads to behavioral problems later in life. There is a link between non-abusive corporal punishment and antisocial tendencies later on, as well as increased risk of substance abuse.

Study links physical punishment of kids to adult mental disorders

Also...



Causes and Effects of Child Abuse - Corporal Punishment - Children, Parents, Spanking, and Studies

Decreased cognitive abilities is hardly the result anyone wants from sending their children to school.
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Hog wash.

I was spanked as a child by my dad (and worse at times), my mother used a wooden spoon on my hands and guess what...I'm about the nicest person you will ever meet.
 
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As to the OP. I was spanked many times by school officials. I turned out just fine in the end and see nothing wrong with it now.
 
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