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Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

Who's talking about going to war with nK?


dont you remember Bush's axis of evil? Iraq, Iran and north korea was thrown in to make it appear its not always about oil and Israeli/US dominance of the middle east
 
That question is so ridiculous, it almost deserves a "go live there" response.

what about the USA's favourite dictactorship - Saudi Arabia

you know = where Osama Bin Laden came from and those naughty 9/11 hijackers

where is the war on terror in saudi arabia? where is the call for freedom and democracy in saudi arabia

Gee the USA has some rather odd fascists as close friends and partners and yet yells from the roof tops and threatens wars against nations that dont theaten the USA

odd isnt it noble bird
 
dont you remember Bush's axis of evil?

Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil," Libya, China, and Syria today announced they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil," which they said would be way eviler than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of his State of the Union address.

Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name. "Right. They are Just as Evil... in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. "Everybody knows we're the best evils... best at being evil... we're the best."

Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil.

"They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

"An Axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the evil Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake. Ours is wicked cool."

THE AXIS PANDEMIC

International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered.

Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed the Axis of Somewhat Evil, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the Axis of Occasionally Evil, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As Just Generally Disagreeable.

With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics; Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts About America, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the Axis of Countries That Sometimes Ask Sheep to Wear Lipstick.

"That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.

While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the Axis of Countries Whose Names End in "Guay," accusing one of its members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.

Israel, meanwhile, insisted it didn't want to join any Axis, but privately, world leaders said that's only because no one asked them.

SatireWire | Passed Over, Syria, China, Libya Form Axis of Just As Evil
 
Both Stalin and Mao had no problem killing and torturing their own people. Also, Mao Tse-tung was quoted, saying "deaths would be beneficial to the Chinese, for without them, there would be be no renewal" and "...destruction [of people] has advantages. One can make fertilizer. You say you can't, but actually you can, but you must be spiritually prepared."

That sounds pretty damn crazy to me.

Perhaps. But it doesn't sound suicidal. The doctrine of mutually assured destruction only works if the other guy is afraid of being destroyed. If, on the other hand, he isn't afraid because he knows that martyrdom results in immediate passage to fairyland, where he's rewarded with 70 virgins, or whatever the hell that wacko religion claims, he's not afraid at all. It's why these dingbats strap bombs to themselves and fly airplanes into buildings.
 
If we send troops in there, I'm marching in the streets.

It's a nice touch, Maggie, but I don't think you really need to worry about the marching until AFTER you go to the recruiters office.
 
ChrisL

Look what we have here a Mr Maurice Motamed - and Iranian Jew who is actually a Paliamentarian in the IRanian government

I wonder if there are any Iranians in the Israel Knesset in Israel? Or in the US Congress? (I know that the US COngress has plenty of Jewish Senators - most with dual citizenship - an illegality that is tolerated only for dual Israeli-US citizens).
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Really dumb analogy. He's IRANIAN.

This just in for all the anti-semites in the world. Judaism is not a nationality. It's a religion. Try to keep that distinction in mind when posting on internet forums.
 
Really dumb analogy. He's IRANIAN.

This just in for all the anti-semites in the world. Judaism is not a nationality. It's a religion. Try to keep that distinction in mind when posting on internet forums.

Are you making an anti-Semitic comment?

I am well aware of what technically a Jewish person is. And yes it is a person who follows the Torahic teachings or Judaic faith. It's religion.

Although you may want to look at the recent developments in the Israeli Knesset. Apparently as of last year an Israeli citizen must swear allegence to a Jewish Democracy. Care to explain how religion has been embedded into nationalism and the democratic process?
 
Are you making an anti-Semitic comment?

I am well aware of what technically a Jewish person is. And yes it is a person who follows the Torahic teachings or Judaic faith. It's religion.

Although you may want to look at the recent developments in the Israeli Knesset. Apparently as of last year an Israeli citizen must swear allegence to a Jewish Democracy. Care to explain how religion has been embedded into nationalism and the democratic process?

Hey, you're the one who has a problem with Jews serving in the U.S Congress, not me. Do you have a similar problem with Catholics serving in the U.S. Congress?

What does an Iranian serving in the Iranian Parliament have to do with an Iranian serving in the Knesset? Or the U.S. Congress? Or a Jew serving in the U.S. Congress?

I'm getting a whiff of something here that isn't terribly pleasant and is normally found only on fringe websites.
 
Although you may want to look at the recent developments in the Israeli Knesset. Apparently as of last year an Israeli citizen must swear allegence to a Jewish Democracy. Care to explain how religion has been embedded into nationalism and the democratic process?

What do you want to bet that the Jew serving in Iran's parliament had to swear allegiance to Iran's government? When serving in any government, they kinda expect you to swear allegiance to it.
 
Why? Don't you want the Iranian people to be free of the mullahs?


BTW, don't let the saber-rattling scare you. Before we took Iraq down, people were saying "OMG! WW3!!!" and "Nukyuler Epoxyclips!" and "Oh they'll shoot missles at Israel and the whole Middle East will go up in FLAMES!!! Russia and China will get involved!! EEK!!" and so on....


Didn't happen.

Clearly a voice of reason in this thread.


I brought this up months ago the Iranian stated the bases had no value whatsoever and he was just talking. This is a lot of nonsense.
 
Now the threat has been made more forceful:

Our military might has reached such a point that today, we are able to target any point or base in the world at any moment and with any intensity,” Brigadier General Hossein Salami said in an address to a gathering of armed forces in the shrine city of Qom on Wednesday.

Next comes the Kool-Aid. It is very hard to take threats like these very seriously.

Even so, remaining vigilant and keeping Iran from gaining nuclear weapons is paramount in maintaining peace and stability in the region.


Iran able to target any military base in the world: IRGC general - Tehran Times
 
Now the threat has been made more forceful:

Our military might has reached such a point that today, we are able to target any point or base in the world at any moment and with any intensity,” Brigadier General Hossein Salami said in an address to a gathering of armed forces in the shrine city of Qom on Wednesday.

Next comes the Kool-Aid. It is very hard to take threats like these very seriously.

Even so, remaining vigilant and keeping Iran from gaining nuclear weapons is paramount in maintaining peace and stability in the region.

Iran able to target any military base in the world: IRGC general - Tehran Times

A pretty clever deception actually. Rangoon and Togo and Luxembourg and Vatican City can ALL "target" any base in the world as well. Whether or not they could actually do anything serious to the "target" is a completely different matter.
 
“Our military might has reached such a point that today, we are able to target any point or base in the world at any moment and with any intensity,[/B]” Brigadier General Hossein Salami said in an address to a gathering of armed forces in the shrine city of Qom on Wednesday.

General Salami? I don't mean to be culturally insensitive, but hahaha.

Isn't that supposed to be "The Holy City of Qom", also known as "You Can't shoot this Place".
 
General Salami? I don't mean to be culturally insensitive, but hahaha.

Isn't that supposed to be "The Holy City of Qom", also known as "You Can't shoot this Place".

With statements like that they better "hide the Salami"....:lol:
 
They're playin' Qom the Salami.
 
Klown said:
Gee, your source is an online site called Jewish Virtual Library - how Credible and totally filled to the brim with Integrity and pure Honesty

Lucky you strainghtened everything out in here with this supreme source of truth and justice
mbig said:
So you assume/profer Jewish sources have no integrity or honesty.
Jewish Virtual Library is a very credible site.. in fact used by BOTH sides of the I-P debate.

You just passed your hero.
Klown now Officially Outed assuming Jewish sites have no "integrity" or "honesty".
So you LIE constantly and Now Insult a website just because it's Jewish.
You're doing good!

You got creamed on your constant abuse of "Fascist" USA..
Got Creamed on your Constant LYING about Iran's number of Jews.. It's 8500, NOT "1.5 mllion".
Now you assume/posit Jewish sites are Dishonest.

Of course, you were already caught LYING So many times in this string I can't believe you're still here except to try and cover it up.
Part or the PATHOLOGY of Your LYING.
You Owe Everyone an apology for YOUR LYING although since you LIED even after getting Caught the apology would Not be accepted. Not that it's forthcoming.


I am questioning how impartial the site is.

Obvioulsy if you wished to investigate the crimes of the KKK, you would soley rely of the written documents and opinions of the KKK head office in the Southern States


SOunds reasonable - doesnt it mbig - or am I questioning the integrity and honesty of the KKK now?

(seems like you are annoyed at the truth being exposed about US foreign policy and wish to still live in the Hollywood dreamland state - that is your choice)

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So now you're comparing Jews in general to the "KKK" and suggesting they shouldn't be investigating themselves.
You didn't say "impartiality", you specifically said "Honesty" and "integrity."
It just keeps getting worse because our opinions/Bias are so Bad.

In this case and on a Logical note Too, Iranian Jews are the Ostensible victims of persecution not a Perpetrator like the "KKK". So YES, if you're going to investigate an event/alleged persecution you talk to the victims.

Klown's Grotesque and Repeated LIE about their being "1.5 million Jews in Iran" is duly brought up again since he wishes to continue.
There are, in Fact, Only 8756 persecuted Jews left in Iran. (Wiki/AFP/Iran 2011 Census)
Another Klown Lie, meant to show how benign Iran was toward Jews, and ergo Israel, Backfired.
 
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Now the threat has been made more forceful:

Our military might has reached such a point that today, we are able to target any point or base in the world at any moment and with any intensity,” Brigadier General Hossein Salami said in an address to a gathering of armed forces in the shrine city of Qom on Wednesday.

Next comes the Kool-Aid. It is very hard to take threats like these very seriously.

Even so, remaining vigilant and keeping Iran from gaining nuclear weapons is paramount in maintaining peace and stability in the region.


Iran able to target any military base in the world: IRGC general - Tehran Times

I put this statement in the same category as the Chinese Aircraft Carrier. You know, the one that is useless because China has no aircraft capable of taking off or landing on a real aircraft carrier, let alone this hybrid creation.
 
well if you look at the last 60 years its a safe bet that Iran would not launch nukes unless of course they were attacked first. What makes you think they would launch Nukes and endanger their own being?

How is it a safe bet?
 
Exactly. We don't need boots on the ground to achieve our objective.

If the objective is to end the threat and terrorism via Iran and help a democratic government that is committed to development instead of nukes to stand up, we do.
 
Exactly. We don't need boots on the ground to achieve our objective.

We should have bombed them long ago, if they were busy rebuilding roads bridges and factories they would have no money left for their nuke program. Then as soon as they rebuild, bomb everything again until they say uncle. it would be so freakin simple if we had a pres with any umm how should I say this to not get an infraction, round things.
 
We should have bombed them long ago, if they were busy rebuilding roads bridges and factories they would have no money left for their nuke program. Then as soon as they rebuild, bomb everything again until they say uncle. it would be so freakin simple if we had a pres with any umm how should I say this to not get an infraction, round things.

We don't need to bomb them just now. Let them sweat. Hopefully diplomacy will do the deed we need. If not, that's alright. Airstrikes will strip away their military on our way to seriously setting back their nuclear program. And there's not one damned thing they can do to stop it. Iran can do this the easy way, or they can do it the hard way. It's up to them to choose wisely.
 
Iran will close the straight in response to any attack. Our current economy cannot withstand oil prices going nuts. I'd like to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons if possible, but starting a war is simply too costly to justify. Diplomacy and covert action are the sensible options at this point.
 
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