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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What are those reasons? We only take actions (and they are always sanctions) against Iran when they are being like petulant children, and our sanctions are not even really that tough, since some other countries refuse to participate.

    No one else is saying Iran shouldn't exist. Israel is the country that is TRULY threatened in that region. Look at the size of Israel, and look at the size of the nations surrounding it, and how hostile they are towards Israel.
    1. It is surrounded by Israel, other American allies and the recently invaded Iraq. It is exceedingly rational to want to a deterrent to protect itself from that hostile environment.

    2. It's a lie that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. Israel and the United States constantly threaten Iran and the United States INVADED Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel and Iran both have rational security interests. The problem I see in the analysis of your posts is that you're only examining this from a Western perspective. I've already provided you with links to primary sources and actual research - not just Obama trying to get re-elected and CNN trying to get views. You can read them or not, but right now, your arguments just seem uninformed.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    your 25,000 figure is incorrect

    there are about 1.5 million Iranian citizens that identify themselves as Jews in Iran today
    This would be news to world Jewry. Anyways--no.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Why? Don't you want the Iranian people to be free of the mullahs?


    BTW, don't let the saber-rattling scare you. Before we took Iraq down, people were saying "OMG! WW3!!!" and "Nukyuler Epoxyclips!" and "Oh they'll shoot missles at Israel and the whole Middle East will go up in FLAMES!!! Russia and China will get involved!! EEK!!" and so on....


    Didn't happen.
    It's not really our job to tell them when to be free, and history has shown over and over again that freedom can only come from an internal desire within the society itself. Breaking down whatever semblance of government they have in the mean time won't fix it. It just provides room for a new tyrannical regime to grow.

    It is not the US' responsibility to police the world, nor are we, quite frankly, in any position to do so.

    That said, I love "nukyuler epoxyclips." I think I'm stealing that.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. It is surrounded by Israel, other American allies and the recently invaded Iraq. It is exceedingly rational to want to a deterrent to protect itself from that hostile environment.

    2. It's a lie that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. Israel and the United States constantly threaten Iran and the United States INVADED Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel and Iran both have rational security interests. The problem I see in the analysis of your posts is that you're only examining this from a Western perspective. I've already provided you with links to primary sources and actual research - not just Obama trying to get re-elected and CNN trying to get views. You can read them or not, but right now, your arguments just seem uninformed.
    I don't care if Iran feels threatened. I want them to feel threatened, because I am in fact threatening them. The issue is that an Iranian nuclear weapon creates a level of strategic invulnerability that will in turn allow it to flex its muscles as it seeks regional hegemony taking aggressive steps that it has hitherto been unwilling to take. An Iranian nuclear weapon is inimical to US interests, to the pursuit of liberal hegemony, and of the Iranian people.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. It is surrounded by Israel, other American allies and the recently invaded Iraq. It is exceedingly rational to want to a deterrent to protect itself from that hostile environment.

    2. It's a lie that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. Israel and the United States constantly threaten Iran and the United States INVADED Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel and Iran both have rational security interests. The problem I see in the analysis of your posts is that you're only examining this from a Western perspective. I've already provided you with links to primary sources and actual research - not just Obama trying to get re-elected and CNN trying to get views. You can read them or not, but right now, your arguments just seem uninformed.
    I'm sorry, I just don't believe that Iran is the most threatened country in that region, or even close. That would definitely be Israel. Israel is the country plagued by suicide bombers and rogue bombs. Israel is the country who is disliked by all surrounding countries, so I think that you are misinformed.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    given your views on the Iraq war and given the fact I served in the Iraq war there is no point explaining as we will never agree, plus I have actually been to iraq, met the people and listened to them. But reading articles and Blogs come pretty close...
    You served in the Iraq War?

    Youre the right person to speak to then!

    PERFECT!

    What were you told were the reasons the USA had to invade Iraq?

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    your 25,000 figure is incorrect

    there are about 1.5 million Iranian citizens that identify themselves as Jews in Iran today
    OK klown, my source is already up. Wikipedia, themselves further footnoted.
    BTW this is the latest and it's is NOW a THIRD of the 25k it was estimated at only years previous.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Iran

    However, a Census in August 2012 revealed that there were Only 8,756 Jews still living in Iran.
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    What's Your source Klown?
    "1.5 Million?"
    LOL

    What a Disgrace. klown Lying even After the fact.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Also, one thing to keep in mind is that a lot of those Iraqi deaths were victims of their own country's extremists, blowing up markets and things like that. Those deaths are included in civilian deaths due to the war.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Because neither the Soviet Union or China were governed by radical Islamists who see martyrdom as a worthy endeavor. These are religious zealots who have a completely different outlook on the world.

    How do you figure that the Soviet Union or China were 'crazy, suicidal regimes'? They may have been despotic and oppressive, but I see no indications that either is/was suicidal or crazy. In fact, they were exceptionally practical.
    Both Stalin and Mao had no problem killing and torturing their own people. Also, Mao Tse-tung was quoted, saying "deaths would be beneficial to the Chinese, for without them, there would be be no renewal" and "...destruction [of people] has advantages. One can make fertilizer. You say you can't, but actually you can, but you must be spiritually prepared."

    That sounds pretty damn crazy to me.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Why? Don't you want the Iranian people to be free of the mullahs?

    BTW, don't let the saber-rattling scare you. Before we took Iraq down, people were saying "OMG! WW3!!!" and "Nukyuler Epoxyclips!" and "Oh they'll shoot missles at Israel and the whole Middle East will go up in FLAMES!!! Russia and China will get involved!! EEK!!" and so on....

    Didn't happen.
    Hyperbole aside, I'd hardly point to Iraq as an example of pessimistic predictions being discredited. I'm less worried about a war with Iran turning into a "nukyuler epoxyclips" with Russia and China getting involved, than I am about it just turning into yet another counterproductive cluster**** and prolonged occupation in the region. Just like Iraq was.
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