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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I have to say that "not likely" is not very comforting. Hopefully you're right, but we really don't know what will happen. How much more ornery will they be if they have nukes? Will they start making demands on the rest of the world using threats of nuclear warfare? Who knows, but I don't think it will amount to anything positive.
    Media and political interest groups are being very irresponsible and missleading on this matter.

    If you look at Iran's demographical break down, it has over 1.5 million Jews living within its borders who have already said they dont feel threatened living there. In fact Israel has for some time offering these Iranian Jews incentives and free land to move to Irsrael but very few have done so.

    SO when the media paints the Iranian regime as some sort of Jew killing Nazi reich, it should at least explain why this regime hasnt expelled or slaughtered the huge Jewish population already living in Iran.

    All we hear is from the deluded right wing crackpots in Israel (like Netanyahus Likud cult) and the ignorant US right wing war cults.

    I cant see a peaceful outcome to this mess - not with the current nutcases in power in Israel and in the USA.

    The only thing preventing an attack on IRan is the support by other nations like Russia, China and BRICS interests

    The US is stretched militarily anyway - and has larger domestic problems to contend with. An unporvoked attack on Iran is a razy course of action. Just like the illegal invasion of Iraq was (is)

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Government leaders and CNN aren't good sources. They will mislead you almost as much as Iran will. You should look at primary sources and actual research if you're genuinely interested in determining if Iran is a credible threat.
    They don't just make stuff up either! LOL! I always thought that, for the most part (with a few exceptions of course), the news does use reliable sources of information.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Would we actually do that? And by then, it's already too late. People are dead.
    Well, I suspect we'd take out their nuclear weapons and then aim at other military and government targets. I suspect we would not need nukes for that which would minimize civilian casualties. If Iran used nukes, the United States would have the support of much of the population and the world to retaliate or aid in another state's retaliation. There would be little to no reason for the US to restrain.

    And yeah, people would already be dead if Iran got the chance to strike first. However, that's where preemptive war comes in. With preemptive war, the US, Israel or another state would attack Iran when they see it getting its forces ready for an offensive attack. This would prevent people dying. Before that, there is preventive war like Iraq. I'm not in favor of that for obvious reasons.

    However, the point is that, thus far, Iran has been rational in its restraint. There isn't reason to expect them to stop that.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

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    Media and political interest groups are being very irresponsible and missleading on this matter.

    If you look at Iran's demographical break down, it has over 1.5 million Jews living within its borders who have already said they dont feel threatened living there. In fact Israel has for some time offering these Iranian Jews incentives and free land to move to Irsrael but very few have done so.

    SO when the media paints the Iranian regime as some sort of Jew killing Nazi reich, it should at least explain why this regime hasnt expelled or slaughtered the huge Jewish population already living in Iran.
    All we hear is from the deluded right wing crackpots in Israel (like Netanyahus Likud cult) and the ignorant US right wing war cults.

    I cant see a peaceful outcome to this mess - not with the current nutcases in power in Israel and in the USA.
    And Iran. IMO, listening to Ahmadinejad at United Nations meetings and things, I don't think he's playing with a full deck. Also, we cannot forget about the protests that happened. Iran KILLS it's own people purposefully and coldly if they dare go against their government in any way.


    The only thing preventing an attack on IRan is the support by other nations like Russia, China and BRICS interests
    I think the only thing they are preventing is successful sanctions.

    The US is stretched militarily anyway - and has larger domestic problems to contend with. An unporvoked attack on Iran is a razy course of action. Just like the illegal invasion of Iraq was (is)
    Of course, I don't want any more wars either, unless ABSOLUTELY necessary. I also don't think threats are worth going to war over, but I think something should be done. What? I don't know.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    If we send troops there, it will be just as big a mistake as sending troops to Iraq. Actually, it would be bigger because Iran is bigger and has a better military.

    That said, Iran does make a lot of threats. Then again, a lot of states in history have made threats, but what every government must do is determine which threats are credible because if we take every threat as credible then we would enter wars that were unnecessary every other day and that would be stupid, expensive and sad for all the families who lose their sons and daughters for no good reason.

    The problem with how the American government, mainstream media and much of the public treat Iran's threats is that all three tend to three all of Iran's threats as credible. The thing is, there isn't much reason to believe that their threats are credible. It's also worth noting that Iran consistently says that it is preparing itself to attack IF IT IS ATTACKED. That qualification waters down the threat even further. As far as I'm concerned, concerns about Iran are much ado about nothing.
    I agree. I think we should wait until it turns into WW3, before we do anything.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post

    They don't just make stuff up either! LOL! I always thought that, for the most part (with a few exceptions of course), the news does use reliable sources of information.
    Actually the Iranian government has never refused entry for any IAEA inspections of any of its nuclear power sites. It has signed the NNP treaty and has never said it wants nuclear weapons in its defense forces.

    Now people can make their own judgements as to what they are up to. What we do know is that just down the road there is the state of Israel which hasnt signed the NNP, refuse entry to any inspections whatsoever of any of its military sites in Israel and neither confirms or denies the possession of nuclear weapons. And as everybody in the world knows, Israel has at least 220 nuclera warheads within its borders - almost all manufactured and desgined in the USA.

    So if you were living in Iran and constantly hearing the War drums being belted by Israel and its partner the USA, what would you do?

    This is why I prefer that the IRanian regime stop its nuclera program and remove any pretext of an attack. But I suspect that the Israel/US pact will find another reason to demonise nations that put their own national interests before western imperialist corporate profits.

    We saw what happend to Gadaffi who would come under the GLobalist Banking regime and wanted to unify Africa under one currency.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree. I think we should wait until it turns into WW3, before we do anything.
    Please don't talk to me until you learn how to actually discern what other posters said instead of twisting their words into whatever neanderthal nonsensical position you wanted them to have said.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    What's Obama waiting for? How many times does Netanyahu need to tell him that it's time to start dropping bombs?

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree. I think we should wait until it turns into WW3, before we do anything.
    I believe that was what NAZI Germany thinking was during the late 1930s

    Becareful of what you wish

    Why is it that almost all US citizens online are so trivial about attacking other nations that havent threatened or attacked them? WHy do they want war with defenseless nations all the time?

    I notice that since WW2, the USA has covertly and overtly invaded 37 nations that has resulted in over 23 million civilians deaths.

    And the major two features that almost of these nations had in common were, THey were defenseless and they didnt attack the USA

    interesting how imperialist empires expand and how suddenly they evaporate

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Actually the Iranian government has never refused entry for any IAEA inspections of any of its nuclear power sites. It has signed the NNP treaty and has never said it wants nuclear weapons in its defense forces.

    Now people can make their own judgements as to what they are up to. What we do know is that just down the road there is the state of Israel which hasnt signed the NNP, refuse entry to any inspections whatsoever of any of its military sites in Israel and neither confirms or denies the possession of nuclear weapons. And as everybody in the world knows, Israel has at least 220 nuclera warheads within its borders - almost all manufactured and desgined in the USA.

    So if you were living in Iran and constantly hearing the War drums being belted by Israel and its partner the USA, what would you do?

    This is why I prefer that the IRanian regime stop its nuclera program and remove any pretext of an attack. But I suspect that the Israel/US pact will find another reason to demonise nations that put their own national interests before western imperialist corporate profits.

    We saw what happend to Gadaffi who would come under the GLobalist Banking regime and wanted to unify Africa under one currency.
    Well put yourself in the shoes of Israel for a minute, being surrounded by hostile countries, always being attacked by rogue bombs. Granted, they both are like a couple of children when it comes to making any kind of agreements, and we (the US) are stuck playing daddy to try to prevent a WWIII.

    Also, I don't think you're right about Iran being so cooperative with the inspectors.
    Last edited by ChrisL; 09-25-12 at 10:34 PM. Reason: Sorry, the quote should be from Klown

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