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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are sanctions ever successful?
    The USA hated Cuba and Vietnam, for different reasons - and they are still both subject to illegal sanctions

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    The USA hated Cuba and Vietnam, for different reasons - and they are still both subject to illegal sanctions
    What? What sanctions do we still have on Vietnam (aside from the regular no exporting of certain technologies we levy on all countries)?
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    The USA hated Cuba and Vietnam, for different reasons - and they are still both subject to illegal sanctions
    Are the UN sanctions against Iran illegal?

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Are the UN sanctions against Iran illegal?
    that is an interesting question, because Iran hasnt refused any IAEA or UN inspections of its nuclear facilities.

    Iran is also a signatory of the NNP treaty, and therefore has the right to pursue nuclear enrichment programs that produce uranium purity of less than 20%.

    From my understanding there is only one nation on the planet that refuses IAEA and UN inspections and hasnt signed the NNP treaty

    Do you know who that nation is?

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What? What sanctions do we still have on Vietnam (aside from the regular no exporting of certain technologies we levy on all countries)?
    Actually the US is still using the tactic of non-returned US service personell remains as a pretext for blackmailing and illegally sanctioning Vietnam.

    I suggest that you research into the list of US corporation and state bodies that will not trade with Vietnam (even though everybody else in the world does)

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Actually the US is still using the tactic of non-returned US service personell remains as a pretext for blackmailing and illegally sanctioning Vietnam.

    I suggest that you research into the list of US corporation and state bodies that will not trade with Vietnam (even though everybody else in the world does)

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    Okay, but are there any actual laws on the books barring trade specifically with Vietnam?

    I thought all of those sanctions ended when we normalized relations.
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    that is an interesting question, because Iran hasnt refused any IAEA or UN inspections of its nuclear facilities.
    Feb '12

    Officials from the International Atomic Energy Agency, sent to Iran to defuse tensions over the country’s nuclear program, were denied access to a military base and said the talks “couldn’t finalize a way forward.”
    UN Nuclear Regulator Says Iran Denies Request to Visit Key Military Base - Bloomberg



    The IAEA has long expressed concern about Iran's nuclear programme, but its latest report (November 2011) lays out the case in much greater detail than before.

    Drawing on evidence provided by more than 10 member states as well as its own information, the IAEA said Iran had carried out activities "relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device".

    It said that some of these activities could only be used to develop nuclear weapons - though it did not say that Iran had mastered the process, nor how long it would take Iran to make a bomb.

    The report documents alleged Iranian testing of explosives, experiments on detonating a nuclear weapon, and work on weaponisation - the processes by which a device might be adapted and hardened to fit into the nose-section of a missile.

    There are some allegations that are listed openly for the first time, including the claim that Iran has used computer modelling on the behaviour of a nuclear device.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11709428
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Okay, but are there any actual laws on the books barring trade specifically with Vietnam?

    I thought all of those sanctions ended when we normalized relations.
    Not quite normalised relations.

    What happened was, US corporations lobbied the US COngress to back off on trade sanctions, because they were losing market share to other nations and corporations (including Australian and Chinese corporations and joint ventures)

    There are still some US sanctions still in place with regards to Vietnam

    Cuban sanctions are illegal from any angle

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Unfortunately, they will be living with Islam (meaning militant Muslim?) for the foreseeable future. The hope is that they vote on such things (and they will vote for a traditional Muslim society for some time), which will lead to liberation. A genocidal dictator slaughtering anything that speaks a non-state thought will not get us anywhere. Such a thing with nukes becomes nK + terror export, and that's not ok. So, the nukes must be stopped for internal and external reasons (some overlapping). The only question is: do we stop at destroying the nukes, or do we try to help bring in democracy. I realise that very few people agree with me that we should bring in democracy (neo-cons, and the sort), but I believe in 'no world peace without world freedom'.
    okay ,but what everybody was aware of the fact that those rebels were islamists.and syria has no nukes. eco
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