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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I totally agree with most of your assessment except what I colored in red. Why do you think that and how would you know that? Maybe they aren't exaggerating at all.
    I know because I've done the research.

    Will Iran nukes cause an arms race? History says not likely and current nuclear programs in the Middle East say the same.

    Will Iran hand off nukes to terrorists? Well, they have aided terrorists in the past (172), but they haven't given terrorists chemical weapons and they don't want their country to be flattened. Iran knows which lines will get it destroyed if crossed, so it avoids them and it will likely continue to do so.

    Will Iran strike Israel first? Well, considering that a first strike will get it flattened, then no for the reasons stated above. There's also the fact that even it's rhetoric has primarily focused on "second strikes" rather than "first strikes" including the one in the OP.

    I would not doubt if Iran has bad intentions against Israel at all. They say they will do it if they have opportunity. Who are we to doubt the words out of their own mouths?
    That's what I said earlier about credible threats. Heads of state having been making threats since they have existed. It's the responsibility of a government to determine when those threats are credible and it's in the interest of the public to educate themselves lest the state mislead them in order to enter an unnecessary war.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Hence the words "I think." You think they won't? Whatever. What do you know?
    Let me put it this way - I dont rely on CNN and Hollywood movies to determine my opinions on the foreign policy of the USA and any other nation.

    I suggest you look elsewhere in the region, where there is ONE nation in the world today that has secret nukes and does not allow international inspections and hasnt even ratified the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty.

    From what I see, Iran abides by all legal treaties and has the legal right to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes.

    Looks like US military imperialism again - trying to dominate an energy rich region (a scenario that has been going on since the end of WW2)

    Again, I ask you whether any nation in the region feels threatened by Iran, (except for Israel which says Iran is trying to pussh it into the sea - lol - Iran hasnt attacked anyone for over 2 centuries)

    Personally, I think Iran is mad to pursue nuclear power in an earth quake zone and a very volatile area. I think it should offer to cease all nuclear power activities, even if ligitimate, and Israel shoudl allow inspections of its nuclear arsenal which it should remove from the region.

    Of course I doubt that will happen

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I know because I've done the research.

    Will Iran nukes cause an arms race? History says not likely and current nuclear programs in the Middle East say the same.

    Will Iran hand off nukes to terrorists? Well, they have aided terrorists in the past (172), but they haven't given terrorists chemical weapons and they don't want their country to be flattened. Iran knows which lines will get it destroyed if crossed, so it avoids them and it will likely continue to do so.

    Will Iran strike Israel first? Well, considering that a first strike will get it flattened, then no for the reasons stated above. There's also the fact that even it's rhetoric has primarily focused on "second strikes" rather than "first strikes" including the one in the OP.


    That's what I said earlier about credible threats. Heads of state having been making threats since they have existed. It's the responsibility of a government to determine when those threats are credible and it's in the interest of the public to educate themselves lest the state mislead them in order to enter an unnecessary war.
    I have to say that "not likely" is not very comforting. Hopefully you're right, but we really don't know what will happen. How much more ornery will they be if they have nukes? Will they start making demands on the rest of the world using threats of nuclear warfare? Who knows, but I don't think it will amount to anything positive.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    We did it in 1953, we can do it again.
    that certainly didn't deliver for us in the long run.

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    Assumptions based on Iran's leadership being rational materialists..... they aren't.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I have to say that "not likely" is not very comforting. Hopefully you're right, but we really don't know what will happen. How much more ornery will they be if they have nukes? Will they start making demands on the rest of the world using threats of nuclear warfare? Who knows, but I don't think it will amount to anything positive.
    There's not much historical evidence to support the prediction that Iran will use threats of nuclear war to make demands of the rest of the world. I have a source on that too, but I can't find it. But the essential point is that the United States could still level Iran and so Iran's "threats" would be laughable. Iran probably wants nukes as a deterrent for the type of invasion that happened to Iraq, particularly since Israel wants to level it and the United States invades just for fun.

    And "not likely" might not be comforting, but I suspect it would be more comforting if you knew more about the (lack of) evidence supporting all the alarmist rhetoric that people like Obama and Romney like to use to scare the public into voting for them and agreeing with them.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

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    Let me put it this way - I dont rely on CNN and Hollywood movies to determine my opinions on the foreign policy of the USA and any other nation.
    Well I certainly trust sources out of the United States more than what Iran says.

    I suggest you look elsewhere in the region, where there is ONE nation in the world today that has secret nukes and does not allow international inspections and hasnt even ratified the Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty.
    As far as I am aware, Israel has never made hateful statements towards another country.

    From what I see, Iran abides by all legal treaties and has the legal right to develop nuclear power for peaceful purposes.
    LOL. Okay.

    Looks like US military imperialism again - trying to dominate an energy rich region (a scenario that has been going on since the end of WW2)
    I don't think so. Countries tend to not trust other countries who constantly threaten, extort and use violence against and kill their own people. It is disgraceful at least.

    Again, I ask you whether any nation in the region feels threatened by Iran, (except for Israel which says Iran is trying to pussh it into the sea - lol - Iran hasnt attacked anyone for over 2 centuries)
    I'll have to do some research into it, but I believe there ARE other nations in the ME who do not like Iran too much.

    Personally, I think Iran is mad to pursue nuclear power in an earth quake zone and a very volatile area. I think it should offer to cease all nuclear power activities, even if ligitimate, and Israel shoudl allow inspections of its nuclear arsenal which it should remove from the region. Of course I doubt that will happen
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Assumptions based on Iran's leadership being rational materialists..... they aren't.
    Define "rational materialists."

    Iran's leaders are, in fact, rational as it is defined in international politics - rational in the sense that they are interested in survival and won't recklessly jeopardize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    There's not much historical evidence to support the prediction that Iran will use threats of nuclear war to make demands of the rest of the world. I have a source on that too, but I can't find it. But the essential point is that the United States could still level Iran and so Iran's "threats" would be laughable. Iran probably wants nukes as a deterrent for the type of invasion that happened to Iraq, particularly since Israel wants to level it and the United States invades just for fun.
    Would we actually do that? And by then, it's already too late. People are dead.

    And "not likely" might not be comforting, but I suspect it would be more comforting if you knew more about the (lack of) evidence supporting all the alarmist rhetoric that people like Obama and Romney like to use to scare the public into voting for them and agreeing with them.
    Yes I sure would.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    [QUOTE=ChrisL;1060953450]
    Well I certainly trust sources out of the United States more than what Iran says.
    Government leaders and CNN aren't good sources. They will mislead you almost as much as Iran will. You should look at primary sources and actual research if you're genuinely interested in determining if Iran is a credible threat.

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