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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Justification? it is a reference to the benefit that many nations saw from colonization.

    as for respect to the Islamist morons in Egypt, the people in Egypt want Islamist Fundamentalism. You are wrong that we have no backbone - it is that we are currently led by those who have no idea. The Obama adminstration seems to have bought into the notion that Fundamentalism either A) wouldn't win or B) wouldn't "really" be Islamist Fundamentalism - but would instead by "moderate" Fundamentalism

    For the long game, however, I think that the Islamist Fundy takeover in Egypt will be a boon. They want to go to war with Israel? fine. We'll repeat the tenth plague of Egypt and suddenly Islamist Fundamentalists attempting to enforce shariah won't be so popular, anymore.

    yes we can say indians want to live according to their own religious rules too ,they want it!!'

    thAT " modarate" means every islamist country can be left to its own fate and women can be killed under sunni fascist rules as long as their administration gets on well with us government


    when it comes to middle east ,you can eassily say " they want islamism" .how did they gain this power??who supported them?

    islamism is not better than hinduism........
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    as long as their administration gets on well with us government
    Sorry, but that's reality. The US cannot liberate everyone in the world at the same time. Given the need for priorities, first targetting the world's terrorism support who's going for nukes and chants "Death to America" in Parliament makes sense.

    Wave a magic wand that gives us 100x our military and cash, and we'll drop that annoying priority thing.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes we can say indians want to live according to their own religious rules too ,they want it!!
    I think my attitude towards this can best be summed up by the British Consul who broke Sati:

    "Yes, you say that it is your culture to burn women alive. Well, it is our culture to hang men who murder women. You practice your culture, and we shall practice ours."\

    But perhaps you can tell us, Medusa. Is it better or worse to to tie women to the funeral pyres of their dead husbands, and let them scream until the flames or the smoke finally overcome them?

    You're not much a fan of Islamist Fundamentalism - what is your opinion on Honor Killings? Do you think that - all things being equal - a society that kills young women for talking to boys instead of being married at age 14 to their first cousin is better or worse?

    hAT " modarate" means every islamist country can be left to its own fate and women can be killed under sunni fascist rules as long as their administration gets on well with us government
    I thought you just said that we should allow these people to live according to their own religious rules?

    when it comes to middle east ,you can eassily say " they want islamism" .how did they gain this power??who supported them?

    islamism is not better than hinduism........
    hey, don't count me as anything except a supporter of the notion that the West should seek to change the Middle Eastern culture. That's the long game in Iraq, after all. It's the long game in Egypt, too. It's just that in order to get there, you have to first discredit Islamism.





    Or perhaps I am misreading you. Are you arguing that the West should invade Egypt, Pakistan, and Iran?

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Sorry, but that's reality. The US cannot liberate everyone in the world at the same time. Given the need for priorities, first targetting the world's terrorism support who's going for nukes and chants "Death to America" in Parliament makes sense.

    Wave a magic wand that gives us 100x our military and cash, and we'll drop that annoying priority thing.
    what about the other parts of my post?
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    what about the other parts of my post?
    If you don't mind, I'd like to just address the "but you don't free everyone immediately!" criticism, and make clear how it is unfair, unrealistic and just a downright ridiculous accusation.

    US priorities make CLEAR and PLAIN sense - it doesn't take a geopolitical genius to see why Iran has priority over Saudi Arabia. Deal with it, or you produce a military to take care of the rest of the people TODAY.



    The US spends too much on the military!! Why doesn't the US free EVERYONE TODAY?!

    That = fail.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think my attitude towards this can best be summed up by the British Consul who broke Sati:

    "Yes, you say that it is your culture to burn women alive. Well, it is our culture to hang men who murder women. You practice your culture, and we shall practice ours."\

    But perhaps you can tell us, Medusa. Is it better or worse to to tie women to the funeral pyres of their dead husbands, and let them scream until the flames or the smoke finally overcome them?

    You're not much a fan of Islamist Fundamentalism - what is your opinion on Honor Killings? Do you think that - all things being equal - a society that kills young women for talking to boys instead of being married at age 14 to their first cousin is better or worse?



    I thought you just said that we should allow these people to live according to their own religious rules?



    hey, don't count me as anything except a supporter of the notion that the West should seek to change the Middle Eastern culture. That's the long game in Iraq, after all. It's the long game in Egypt, too. It's just that in order to get there, you have to first discredit Islamism.

    those are kurds who kill their own women..anad they are put into prison too ,we dont stop keeping kurdish women.............that marriage style is also another ignominy of them too .marriage age can be lowered to some degree but when it is found out that there is a real child abuse ,those monsters are put into prison too

    another question??


    none of your struggle is enough to make me forget that you tolerate islamists..... hehe ..))

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If you don't mind, I'd like to just address the "but you don't free everyone immediately!" criticism, and make clear how it is unfair, unrealistic and just a downright ridiculous accusation.

    US priorities make CLEAR and PLAIN sense - it doesn't take a geopolitical genius to see why Iran has priority over Saudi Arabia. Deal with it, or you produce a military to take care of the rest of the people TODAY.



    The US spends too much on the military!! Why doesn't the US free EVERYONE TODAY?!

    That = fail.
    thats not the answer

    you claim you want to bring democracy into ME,but cpwill thinks they can live with islam


    ??

    now tell me what you try to do there?
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The support for regime change is already internal and exists. A war with the US would likely trigger a collapse before much of a war occured, in my view.
    Which historically is way off the mark. Not as bad as Navy Pride, but an actual attack would rally the people to the Mullahs. The Soviet Union thought that the Finnish working class would join them in overthrowing the Finnish government. Instead the working class joined militias and fought back the Reds. There's no question that many within Iran want the Mullahs gone, but external invasion tends to push people towards their leaders and away from the invaders. We saw this in Iraq too as many Shiites fought the US rather than joined us in deposing Saddam.
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually we are sort of overdue for a plague, likely enabled by weaponized disease.
    That is true, but in terms of nation state conflict, there is no existential threat to America short on a Russian nuclear salvo which frankly will not happen.
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    thats not the answer

    you claim you want to bring democracy into ME,but cpwill thinks they can live with islam


    ??

    now tell me what you try to do there?
    Unfortunately, they will be living with Islam (meaning militant Muslim?) for the foreseeable future. The hope is that they vote on such things (and they will vote for a traditional Muslim society for some time), which will lead to liberation. A genocidal dictator slaughtering anything that speaks a non-state thought will not get us anywhere. Such a thing with nukes becomes nK + terror export, and that's not ok. So, the nukes must be stopped for internal and external reasons (some overlapping). The only question is: do we stop at destroying the nukes, or do we try to help bring in democracy. I realise that very few people agree with me that we should bring in democracy (neo-cons, and the sort), but I believe in 'no world peace without world freedom'.
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