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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Again, we are spending more on defense then has ever been spent on defense in recorded history and you can't even get behind a mere $100 billion a year?
    I beg to differ. We are not spending on defense we are spending on conquest.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kane View Post


    No kidding.

    The gullible minds of the brainwashed!

    Obama is going gonzo militarily, without a doubt.

    Misterveritis, give us an amusing source for your "Obama is destroying the military" conspiracy!
    Mis apparently believes that China and Iran are more of a threat then the USSR was and therefore we must spend more against them then we did against the Soviets.

    Insane no?
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    The US had a difficult time fighting an asymetric war, but with Iran it would be conventional war. That's what we're good at, they would be wise to consider this. Something else, remember who would be sitting there with land-based defensive systems.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post

    Insane no?
    Yes.

    The U.S. Government is still run by a bunch of crazy Crackers who just put Obama is front to hide their evil deeds. Of course, Obama knows this and plays along. NeoCons pulling the strings still manufacture enemies for the State to kill, and expect Presidents to carry them out. JFK wouldn't play ball, and they killed him. MLK said stop Vietnam, and they killed him too,
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Good luck finding an Indian politician who can think more then a few years ahead. Their political system is even more now centered then ours is. India is content to buy our goods, but aligning itself with the US is something entirely different. We may share some common goals, but India will do what India wants.
    That is true of every nation. But we made great strides with India during the Bush years, and I have hopes the next president will build on that.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Neither. We should align it with the future needs while maintaining what we need for the current conflicts. That said, we are still spending more on defense then we did when we faced another super power with the weapons capacity to end all life as we know it. Iran is a joke compared to the damage the USSR could inflict. The real threat is still non state actors with access to fissile material.

    Since when did numbers confer an advantage in the days of smart weapons?

    Again, we are spending more on defense then has ever been spent on defense in recorded history and you can't even get behind a mere $100 billion a year?
    Defense is complicated. We are not going to agree. But no, I do not get behind a 100 billion dollar cut in defense. We should be increasing the size of our Navy and Air Force. We should be increasing the numbers of special operators. We should be increasing the amounts we spend on all facets of intelligence gathering, assessment and sharing.

    In the entire history of warfare the edge has gone to the nations that kept a technological advantage. Where that advantage will be found varies from time to time. In some cases it was in the weapons used. In others it was in the use of intelligence. In still others it was in a combination of material, manpower, and strategy.

    Do you believe we will have only one national interest threatened at a time? Or will we continue to have a presence in 20 places? I look to the past to see that we have kept forces in being in a large number of places. Or maybe you think we should return to isolationism?

    I see both dangers and opportunities for the US. Both require military forces able to project power to any point in the world on short notice.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Mis apparently believes that China and Iran are more of a threat then the USSR was and therefore we must spend more against them then we did against the Soviets.

    Insane no?
    I often wonder why people cannot see the obvious.

    Carter is the latest senior Pentagon official to speak against sequestration. His boss, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, has called sequestration a "meat ax" while the nation's highest-ranking military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, has warned that the cuts would be catastrophic, leaving the military with a hollowed-out force.

    "Sequester would have devastating effects on our readiness and our workforce and disrupt thousands of contracts and programs," Carter said.

    The cuts would be piled on top of the already $500 billion in defense spending cuts set by the White House over the next 10 years as part of a longer-term budget strategy.

    Panetta has said the Pentagon is not planning for cuts because the White House's Office of Management and Budget has told them not to until the summer.

    "There is not a hell of a lot of planning I can do," because sequestration makes automatic and equally distributed cuts across Department of Defense accounts, using a "meat-ax" approach, he said.

    In February, speaking before the House Budget Committee, Panetta said planning could start this summer if Congress had not made a deal on the budget.

    In a letter sent in November to Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Panetta said the effects of sequestration would create the smallest ground force since before World War II, the smallest Navy since before World War I, the smallest tactical fighter force in Air Force history and the smallest civilian work force in the history of the Department of Defense.
    Defense official says automatic cuts will cause 'absurdities' – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

    Defense covers more that two threats, one from China and one from Iran. Your failure comes from your over simplification. One should make things as simple as possible. But no simpler.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The US had a difficult time fighting an asymetric war, but with Iran it would be conventional war. That's what we're good at, they would be wise to consider this. Something else, remember who would be sitting there with land-based defensive systems.
    Only if you have no plans for an actual regime change. Which would require an occupation. Which would resort in an Iraq like asymmetric war in an area far more mountainous and populated then Iraq.

    So you're for constant bombardment of Iran then?
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I see both dangers and opportunities for the US. Both require military forces able to project power to any point in the world on short notice.
    I fail to see why we should spend more then we did during the cold war against enemies that can only dream of having the power the USSR did.

    You seem to think that the threats we face today are more existential then total annihilation that the USSR threatened. That to me is simply another delusion you have. Why we should spend more now then we did against an enemy that could actually end America is not rational nor reasonable, but most of your posts are neither anyways.

    Defense covers more that two threats, one from China and one from Iran. Your failure comes from your over simplification. One should make things as simple as possible. But no simpler.
    You seem to think that the threats we face today are more existential then total annihilation that the USSR threatened. Maybe you don't have a problem with massive government and spending if its in defense.

    Your line of thinking is so insane that it might be worth making a poll just to have some fun.

    What is more of a threat? "Total Nuclear Annihilation via the Soviets or the threats the US faces today?""
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    1. We are not putting a larger portion towards defense today than we did during the Cold War. Nor do we need to. Mistaking nominal dollars for relative effort is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

    2. It is fully possible to take away Iran's ability to seal the Straits without an invasion.

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