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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Dismantling our military? Please...

    Obama has increased defense spending ever year he's been in office.
    Uh-huh. Do you know what is coming in a few months?

    Obama's defense cuts are known only in part to the American the people. And that's because Obama has yet to explain the exact details of them. What we do know is they are so drastic that even Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) believes the Democrats could lose even more seats in the House over them in November. And Sec. of Defense Leon Panetta has said these cuts "will be devastating to our national security and to our economy."
    Romney to Obama: Quit 'Dismantling Our Military'

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Uh-huh. Do you know what is coming in a few months?

    Obama's defense cuts are known only in part to the American the people. And that's because Obama has yet to explain the exact details of them. What we do know is they are so drastic that even Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) believes the Democrats could lose even more seats in the House over them in November. And Sec. of Defense Leon Panetta has said these cuts "will be devastating to our national security and to our economy."
    Romney to Obama: Quit 'Dismantling Our Military'
    $100 billion a year is doable. Especially when you look at total spending over time. We are spending more than we did during the Cold War.

    Few government agencies can waste money like the DoD.
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Dismantling our military? Please...

    Obama has increased defense spending every year he's been in office.
    Some people consider cuts to the largest military in spending in world history to be "dismantling."
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I'd buy that bit on the corruption. Indian government is pretty bad, too. But unfortunately for them I'm thinking that US long term interests lie with India.
    Good luck finding an Indian politician who can think more then a few years ahead. Their political system is even more now centered then ours is. India is content to buy our goods, but aligning itself with the US is something entirely different. We may share some common goals, but India will do what India wants.
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    $100 billion a year is doable. Especially when you look at total spending over time. We are spending more than we did during the Cold War.

    Few government agencies can waste money like the DoD.
    Do you believe that we should base our defense on political expediency? Or should one make every effort to meet the current threat?

    I am a former Army guy. But I see that we will have fewer ships afloat than we need. I see that we will have fewer Air Force flying squadrons than we need. I cannot tell if we will have enough special operators but tend to doubt that we will. I know we have already moved from a two war footing to a one war footing.

    When you damage your military for political expediencey it takes a very long time to recover.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Some people consider cuts to the largest military in spending in world history to be "dismantling."
    The cuts will fall heavily on the trained people, and on equipment, both refurbished and new. In the meantime we see China preparing for regional hegemony, we continue to have the enduring problems of energy and Iran will soon have nuclear weapons. A prudent individual might consider those threats before dismantling the military.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you believe that we should base our defense on political expediency? Or should one make every effort to meet the current threat?
    Neither. We should align it with the future needs while maintaining what we need for the current conflicts. That said, we are still spending more on defense then we did when we faced another super power with the weapons capacity to end all life as we know it. Iran is a joke compared to the damage the USSR could inflict. The real threat is still non state actors with access to fissile material.

    I am a former Army guy. But I see that we will have fewer ships afloat than we need. I see that we will have fewer Air Force flying squadrons than we need. I cannot tell if we will have enough special operators but tend to doubt that we will. I know we have already moved from a two war footing to a one war footing.
    Since when did numbers confer an advantage in the days of smart weapons?

    Again, we are spending more on defense then has ever been spent on defense in recorded history and you can't even get behind a mere $100 billion a year?
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The cuts will fall heavily on the trained people, and on equipment, both refurbished and new. In the meantime we see China preparing for regional hegemony, we continue to have the enduring problems of energy and Iran will soon have nuclear weapons. A prudent individual might consider those threats before dismantling the military.
    And those two represents more of threat then the Soviet Union with its capacity to end all life on the planet and therefore we should be spending more then we did against the Soviets against two regional powers?

    Get some perspective.
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire X View Post
    Dismantling our military? Please...

    Obama has increased defense spending every year he's been in office.


    No kidding.

    The gullible minds of the brainwashed!

    Obama is going gonzo militarily, without a doubt.

    Misterveritis, give us an amusing source for your "Obama is destroying the military" conspiracy!
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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    If Obama wins and has to take down Iran, I hope the democrats will then realize and admit that it would have been 10 times more difficult if Saddam Hussein was still in Iraq. I have always thought that was part of the rationale behind closed doors though I have zero evidence of it. It was just the more logical conclusion I could reach.
    I don't know if the string pullers will force him to go to war or not. I suspect they will. They want absolute hegemony over the Mideast. That is why we instigated the civil wars in Libya and Syria. After Syria falls Lebanon will be next. The US and the major oil companies will then have complete control over Mideast oil. That is the goal.

    Saddam Hussain? He invaded Iran at our behest and with our backing. Of course he then quit taking orders from Washington and had the nerve to sell oil for Euros. Foolish man. That got hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed.

    Want to learn a little modern history? Google Mohammed Mossedegh.

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