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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    I wonder who is leading whom... I have little tolerance for Shia.. so I admit a bias.
    Now you're just being dishonest.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

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    If you hate the west and 'western style democracy' so much, why do you post here? Other than to turn every post into an opportunity for you to rant about the superiority of Turkey, I mean.
    you should read again my posts ,or improve your english

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Now you're just being dishonest.
    About what? Are there more Mullahs or more Republican Guard?

    I have known many Shia who were OK and some who were very moderate and successful.. but I don't understand the uber Shia..

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    About what? Are there more Mullahs or more Republican Guard?

    I have known many Shia who were OK and some who were very moderate and successful.. but I don't understand the uber Shia..
    The Republican Guard is operating under the direction of the mullahs Sharon. The mullahs are the leaders of the country and they say what goes. Ahmed is just a puppet of the mullahs. He will probably keep "winning" elections as long as he does their bidding. It's just a "hidden" dictatorship in Iran.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    The Republican Guard is operating under the direction of the mullahs Sharon. The mullahs are the leaders of the country and they say what goes. Ahmed is just a puppet of the mullahs. He will probably keep "winning" elections as long as he does their bidding. It's just a "hidden" dictatorship in Iran.
    Oh I know that..

    All last year Amanutjob was butting heads with the Mullahs.. so whether he will be reelected or not is anyone's guess.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Chris-
    I don't think you state the focus of Iran's 'hatred' precisely. Iran doesn't want the Zionists in the Middle East to have an independent state at the expense of the A-rab inhabitants. THAT has been the focus.

    Now Iran took to heart being called part of the 'Axis of E-Vile' by a former wahtime settin' President after helping us by turning over many of the most wanted from Afghanistan. BushII's declaration of attacking ANY nation he felt MIGHT be a threat to the USofA didn't help any. We tend to see the world as we THINK it is, rather than how the world sees us.

    I don't think anyone thinks the current regime is all sweetness and light, but thanks to knocking the Sunni grip off of Iraq we have made Iran both a major regional power and rival of the Saudis.

    The rivalries, power struggles and regime change attempts on or at Iran since the 50's has truly warped what was once a promising democracy. Seems the more we attempt to shape Iran the more warped the region becomes. Perhaps it is time to stop thinking we can shape the world to our ideal.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    That doesn't make sense either.. Jews have lived in Persia for 2500 years and would still be there if not for Israel..

    Look:

    In July 2007, Iran's Jewish community rejected financial emigration incentives to leave Iran. Offers ranging from 5,000–30,000 British pounds, financed by a wealthy expatriate Jew with the support of the Israeli government, were turned down by Iran's Jewish leaders.


    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Jews lived in Libya, Egypt, Iran, Iraq.. and for the most part they were pretty affluent and successful.. They were merchants, importers-exporters, own small factories and employed Arabs. IMO their leaving between 1948 and 1973 was a real loss.

    Even now.. the Jewish merchant families of Bahrain are successful. One of the daughers is a lawyer and an Ambassador.
    Who would that be and is that representative of the Jewish population in Iran?

    This excerpt casts a different light than what you would portray....The Jews of Iran: "Despite the official distinction between "Jews," "Zionists," and "Israel," the most common accusation the Jews encounter is that of maintaining contacts with Zionists. The Jewish community does enjoy a measure of religious freedom but is faced with constant suspicion of cooperating with the Zionist state and with "imperialistic America" — both such activities are punishable by death. Jews who apply for a passport to travel abroad must do so in a special bureau and are immediately put under surveillance. The government does not generally allow all members of a family to travel abroad at the same time to prevent Jewish emigration. Again, the Jews live under the status of dhimmi, with the restrictions imposed on religious minorities. Jewish leaders fear government reprisals if they draw attention to official mistreatment of their community."

    Jews of Iran

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Chris-
    I don't think you state the focus of Iran's 'hatred' precisely. Iran doesn't want the Zionists in the Middle East to have an independent state at the expense of the A-rab inhabitants. THAT has been the focus.

    Now Iran took to heart being called part of the 'Axis of E-Vile' by a former wahtime settin' President after helping us by turning over many of the most wanted from Afghanistan. BushII's declaration of attacking ANY nation he felt MIGHT be a threat to the USofA didn't help any. We tend to see the world as we THINK it is, rather than how the world sees us.

    I don't think anyone thinks the current regime is all sweetness and light, but thanks to knocking the Sunni grip off of Iraq we have made Iran both a major regional power and rival of the Saudis.

    The rivalries, power struggles and regime change attempts on or at Iran since the 50's has truly warped what was once a promising democracy. Seems the more we attempt to shape Iran the more warped the region becomes. Perhaps it is time to stop thinking we can shape the world to our ideal.
    Constant threats have a predictable affect.

    I just hate that if Iran gets the bomb, then Saudi Arabia will also have to get the bomb.. an insufferable situation since the Saudis have been insisting on a nuke free ME for 5 decades.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Yes we will be marching on to glorious victory as we have in Iraq, Pakistan and Afganistan in the name of mom's apple pie, hot dogs, baseball and "I Love Lucy". Yes, my fellow Americans yhere is no cause to hideous for you beloved leaders to send young fathers and mothers to their early deaths. After all, we politicians are not going so why so WE worrry?
    The sooner we ram out Judeo Christian/democratic beliefs down the throats of the ENTIRE WORLD the sooner we can all live in peace. Remember, it is us you are voting for in November.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Chris-
    I don't think you state the focus of Iran's 'hatred' precisely. Iran doesn't want the Zionists in the Middle East to have an independent state at the expense of the A-rab inhabitants. THAT has been the focus.

    Now Iran took to heart being called part of the 'Axis of E-Vile' by a former wahtime settin' President after helping us by turning over many of the most wanted from Afghanistan. BushII's declaration of attacking ANY nation he felt MIGHT be a threat to the USofA didn't help any. We tend to see the world as we THINK it is, rather than how the world sees us.

    I don't think anyone thinks the current regime is all sweetness and light, but thanks to knocking the Sunni grip off of Iraq we have made Iran both a major regional power and rival of the Saudis.

    The rivalries, power struggles and regime change attempts on or at Iran since the 50's has truly warped what was once a promising democracy. Seems the more we attempt to shape Iran the more warped the region becomes. Perhaps it is time to stop thinking we can shape the world to our ideal.
    I would like to see us become more energy independent and wash our hands of the entire region, but I also cannot forget the faces of the protesters, many of whom were killed, in Iran. How they shut down all means of communication, how they kidnap Americans and other foreigners and hold them for ransom. Let's face it, they are one of the biggest warts on the world today.

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