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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Do you think the US having to deal with an Iraqi invasion by Saddam of a beaten down Iranian military would bring stability to the region. Saddam would have used any attack by the US as an opportunity to make a run on Iran's oil fields.
    No I don't think Saddam would have been a really big dumbass and attacked Iran when the US was currently beating their asses...
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    No I don't think Saddam would have been a really big dumbass and attacked Iran when the US was currently beating their asses...
    While you may disagree, I would have bet that Saddam's military would have invaded the second the US cleared Iranian airspace; Iran would have repelled and driven itself into Iraq and we would have spent 10 years and a trillion dollars beating both of them back into their corners because we hate Saddam and Iran and would go back into that balance of power strategy playing both sides we used before to keep neither of them from winning their prior war against the other.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    If I'm not mistaken wasn't Iraq and Iran mortal enemies?

    Yes they are our mortal enemies.

    You libs just don't understand foreign policy.

    You want to talk with the other nations. That's the wrong way to do things. We have bombs to do our talking.

    America is starting to miss George W. Bush.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Thing is, they cannot be launched from a commercial truck. They need a specific kind of launching system. Add to it that they must use radar to target the ship they're after, and these missiles are about as easy to find as a spotlight in a closet. SCUDs didn't employ radar targeting.
    C-802's are truck launchable, one was used by Lebanon in 2006. Targets in the strait can be acquired visually, the fire control radar only needs to be turned on for a few seconds to get a lock. There isn't enough time to eliminate the launcher with an HARM before it can fire.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    While you may disagree, I would have bet that Saddam's military would have invaded the second the US cleared Iranian airspace; Iran would have repelled and driven itself into Iraq and we would have spent 10 years and a trillion dollars beating both of them back into their corners because we hate Saddam and Iran and would go back into that balance of power strategy playing both sides we used before to keep neither of them from winning their prior war against the other.
    I do disagree. I think if we would have invaded Iran first. Saddam would have sat on his ass watching. I would agree that saddam probably would have loved to go in right after we left, however, I still think he wouldn't have been that stupid. If the US just defeated Iran and set up a democratic style gov't there, do you really think Saddam would be so foolish to run in there guns blazing? He'd be committing suicide, because right thereafter the US would have bitchslapped him too..
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Yes they are our mortal enemies.

    You libs just don't understand foreign policy.

    You want to talk with the other nations. That's the wrong way to do things. We have bombs to do our talking.

    America is starting to miss George W. Bush.
    wtf are you talking about? did you read the previous conversation or just jump in because you wanted to attack my statement cause I'm a "lib" which i'm not.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    I do disagree. I think if we would have invaded Iran first. Saddam would have sat on his ass watching. I would agree that saddam probably would have loved to go in right after we left, however, I still think he wouldn't have been that stupid. If the US just defeated Iran and set up a democratic style gov't there, do you really think Saddam would be so foolish to run in there guns blazing? He'd be committing suicide, because right thereafter the US would have bitchslapped him too..
    Ask Kuwait and I imagine they'd laugh at the idea that Saddam wouldn't be that stupid.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Ask Kuwait and I imagine they'd laugh at the idea that Saddam wouldn't be that stupid.
    Saddam invaded Kuwait, then the US intervened... you are talking about the US invading Iran, then Iraq running in after we had left to take over. Two totally different scenarios.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I figure the Iranian regime would have at least a couple Warhol minutes......
    Now that you mention it, Ahmadinejad DOES look a bit like Holly Woodlawn......
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    maggie,i dont like the iranian regime and the other islamist ones,but the new arabian spring has been supported by usa government and now we see they are turning into an islamic spring .i mean ,i cant believe america's aim is just to bring here a democracy.it was the same america which gave a great support to our radical morons..........
    1. Do not attribute to American evil what can be equally explained with American bumbling. We are really, really, really good at not understanding foreign mindsets.

    2. America's goals are to promote democracy and protect her interests - and we think those things are mutually reinforcing.






    3. The notion that having to reopen the straits in the face of full, kinetic Iranian opposition would be a simple or quick operation is uneducated.

    ....The Rumsfeld-era Pentagon held a top-secret war game to test a Persian Gulf scenario. A maverick Marine Corps general, Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper, led the "Red Team," the fictional Iranian adversary. Gen. Van Riper relayed orders to his front-line troops by motorcycle messenger, so the U.S. could not hack into his networks; he sent out speedboats armed with missiles and explosives to swarm U.S. warships. After the fictional smoke cleared, more than a dozen U.S. warships were at the bottom of the Persian Gulf....
    He knocked out two (2) carrier groups. They had to stop the exercise and revive the fleet from the bottom of the sea, just so that we wouldn't lose our own wargame.




    Don't get me wrong. We win any kinetic operation against Iran. We can win limited kinetic operations against Iran. But we are not so overwhelmingly omnipotent in the Persian Gulf as people seem to be suggesting.

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