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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Iran will close the straight in response to any attack.
    For about 10 minutes. The US has made clear that such is an act of war violating standing UN regs and permitting multilateral military action without formal resolution. If Iran persists after losing control of the corridor, it could be the end of the regime's miltary.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Iran will close the straight in response to any attack. Our current economy cannot withstand oil prices going nuts. I'd like to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons if possible, but starting a war is simply too costly to justify. Diplomacy and covert action are the sensible options at this point.
    How do they close the Strait?
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    How do they close the Strait?
    They can use fast attack craft, aircraft and submarines to attack passing vessels, but those are relatively easy to deal with. The real problem would be mines and land based anti-ship missiles. If the Iranians are really clever, they will submerge heavy torpedo's along the coastline.

    Keep in mind, the Iranian don't have to stop warships, but rather giant slow unarmed unarmored targets filled with flammable materials. Even worse, tankers are crewed and operated by civilians who have no tolerance for risks to their lives or finances. It would be easy to attack Iranian nuclear sites, but very difficult to make the strait safe enough for commercial traffic.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Probably the only way we would put boots on the ground other than rescue missions for downed pilots would be if the oil fields were ignited and we had to provide protection for the teams to go in and put those things out. Rumor has always been that Iran maintains explosives on their well heads and have vowed to blow up everyone if the US ever attacks it. I am skeptical that is true, but some could go up with all the ordinance flying around.
    Its probably true.. or they have thermite stashed nearby and readily accessable.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    They can use fast attack craft, aircraft and submarines to attack passing vessels, but those are relatively easy to deal with. The real problem would be mines and land based anti-ship missiles. If the Iranians are really clever, they will submerge heavy torpedo's along the coastline.

    Keep in mind, the Iranian don't have to stop warships, but rather giant slow unarmed unarmored targets filled with flammable materials. Even worse, tankers are crewed and operated by civilians who have no tolerance for risks to their lives or finances. It would be easy to attack Iranian nuclear sites, but very difficult to make the strait safe enough for commercial traffic.

    New pipelines that bypass the strait are coming on line. The Iranian threat of "cutting the West's jugular" is weaking by the day. That said it is clear that the sanctions are working and Iran will need to change it's tune on nuclear expansion or face the wrath of the Iranian people. The threats of attacking Iran only serve the Govts purpose of keeping the people afraid of the West.

    The new links will more than double the total pipeline capacity bypassing the strait to 6.5m barrels a day, or about 40 per cent of the 17m b/d that transits Hormuz.
    The geopolitical importance of the strait is such that Cyrus Vance, former US secretary of state, called it “the jugular vein of the West”. Over the weekend Ali Fadavi, naval commander in Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guard Corps, said Tehran had the ability to “not allow even a single drop of oil to pass” the strait.
    Abu Dhabi and Riyadh say the pipelines are not a direct response to Tehran’s threats. But oil traders and scholars say they are clear counterweight. “Multiple pipelines would partly negate the Iranian threat to block [the Strait of] Hormuz,” said Rafael Kandiyoti, senior research fellow at Imperial College London and author of Pipelines: Oil Flows and Crude Politics. “Showing increasing pipeline capacity suits the purposes of Saudi Arabia.”
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    We should have bombed them long ago, if they were busy rebuilding roads bridges and factories they would have no money left for their nuke program. Then as soon as they rebuild, bomb everything again until they say uncle. it would be so freakin simple if we had a pres with any umm how should I say this to not get an infraction, round things.
    Have you thought this through? Have you looked at a map? There are NO winners in the bomb Iran scenario.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    New pipelines that bypass the strait are coming on line. The Iranian threat of "cutting the West's jugular" is weaking by the day. That said it is clear that the sanctions are working and Iran will need to change it's tune on nuclear expansion or face the wrath of the Iranian people. The threats of attacking Iran only serve the Govts purpose of keeping the people afraid of the West.


    Pipelines bypassing Hormuz open - FT.com
    While the pipelines do mitigate the problem somewhat, they still are not yet capable of providing enough oil if Iran closes the strait. There is also the possibility of Iran attacking the pipelines with missiles in the event of a war. For the time being, attacking Iran would have severe consequences.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Have you thought this through? Have you looked at a map? There are NO winners in the bomb Iran scenario.
    Except the Iranian people.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    They can use fast attack craft, aircraft and submarines to attack passing vessels, but those are relatively easy to deal with. The real problem would be mines and land based anti-ship missiles. If the Iranians are really clever, they will submerge heavy torpedo's along the coastline.

    Keep in mind, the Iranian don't have to stop warships, but rather giant slow unarmed unarmored targets filled with flammable materials. Even worse, tankers are crewed and operated by civilians who have no tolerance for risks to their lives or finances. It would be easy to attack Iranian nuclear sites, but very difficult to make the strait safe enough for commercial traffic.
    Iran would have to use their navy, including the fast attack craft, to close the strait. That means that the US Navy would engage them immediately. It wouldn't take long before Iran didn't have a navy any longer, and the strait would reopen.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    The US would never allow the strait to be closed on principle alone. Iran will not be permitted to hold its neighbors hostage. The US would destroy those heavy guns in no time, and their clunky diesel subs are not exactly stealthy, and as soon as Iran attacked a US ship, the flight line from Turkey would be saying Howdy.

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