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Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

:lol: medusa, I was a fan of PNAC long before they became the center of everyone's favorite conspiracy theory.

think tanks dont work for pakistanis :lol::lol:
 
Sharon-
The Middle East isn't nuke free and hasn't been for decades. What the Saudis fear is many nations in their region would have to give the Shiite majorities or large minorities more say in government. Right now Shiite majorities in countries like Bahrain are treated as second class citizens while a large Shiite minority sits on the vast Saudi oil fields, benefiting little from the huge wealth being generated.

The Saudis don't fear Shiite nukes, they fear Shiite power sharing
 
Sharon-
The Middle East isn't nuke free and hasn't been for decades. What the Saudis fear is many nations in their region would have to give the Shiite majorities or large minorities more say in government. Right now Shiite majorities in countries like Bahrain are treated as second class citizens while a large Shiite minority sits on the vast Saudi oil fields, benefiting little from the huge wealth being generated.

The Saudis don't fear Shiite nukes, they fear Shiite power sharing

Shia are a tiny minority in Al Hasa mostly around Qatif and Hofuf... and they are pretty loyal.. The SAG has improved their situation many times over the past 50 years or so.
 
As for Iran "heating up":


Twenty years ago, in 1992, Netanyahu declared Iran would deploy nuclear weapons in 3-5 years. In 1995, Israeli officials warned Iran would have nuclear arms by 2000.

In 1998, US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld warned that Iran would have intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads by 2003 that could strike the United States.

Netanyahu now insists Iran will have nukes within a year. US intelligence denies this claim. Even biased UN nuclear inspectors say Iran has no nukes.

Even so, hysteria and disinformation about Iran’s nuclear program continues without relent, intensifying war fever in America which is in the midst of election fever.

Courting Nuclear Disaster | Alternative
 
As for Iran "heating up":


Twenty years ago, in 1992, Netanyahu declared Iran would deploy nuclear weapons in 3-5 years. In 1995, Israeli officials warned Iran would have nuclear arms by 2000.

In 1998, US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld warned that Iran would have intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads by 2003 that could strike the United States.

Netanyahu now insists Iran will have nukes within a year. US intelligence denies this claim. Even biased UN nuclear inspectors say Iran has no nukes.

Even so, hysteria and disinformation about Iran’s nuclear program continues without relent, intensifying war fever in America which is in the midst of election fever.

Courting Nuclear Disaster | Alternative

Sharon, the inspectors don't know anything because Iran is not honest with them. They hide things and they outright lie too.
 
Sharon, the inspectors don't know anything because Iran is not honest with them. They hide things and they outright lie too.

Anybody can hide anything anytime.. including the Israelis.

However, Bibi's experts and Meir Dagan think he's nuts.. Further, by last count only 18% of Israelis think Iran is a threat.

Read Van Crevald .. Israel's military historian.

Say Iran did drop a nuuclear bomb on Israel, they would be bombed to smithereens in the next 30 minutes.

You can't trust Bibi... or his motives.
 
Anybody can hide anything anytime.. including the Israelis.

However, Bibi's experts and Meir Dagan think he's nuts.. Further, by last count only 18% of Israelis think Iran is a threat.

Read Van Crevald .. Israel's military historian.

Say Iran did drop a nuuclear bomb on Israel, they would be bombed to smithereens in the next 30 minutes.

You can't trust Bibi... or his motives.

Says you Sharon. Sorry, I would trust him more than the Mullahs or Ahmed ANY DAY.
 
Chris-
I can't help remember the faces of protesters brutally tortured by the state secret police of our good friend and ally the Shah. We installed him, we propped him up and we kept him from facing justice in his homeland. Our hand is all over the current situation in Iran, we have left no stone or dictator unturned to hurt Iran, to include big hugs for Saddam.

I think if we take the long view of our attempts to control Iran since WWII we would see the 'wart' as one we created.

But we refuse to admit that and just call 'em crazy Mullahs... :roll:
 
Says you Sharon. Sorry, I would trust him more than the Mullahs or Ahmed ANY DAY.

Bibi has been jerking the US around on this issue since 1992... and continues to threaten Iran.. Does he have any obligation to diffuse the situation and resolve the conflict?
 
Bibi has been jerking the US around on this issue since 1992... and continues to threaten Iran.. Does he have any obligation to diffuse the situation and resolve the conflict?

And Iran has been jerking US around for years, not to mention threatening us, telling us that they hate us, burning our flags, kidnapping and holding our citizens for ransom, etc., etc., etc.

Sorry, but Israel is IMO is MUCH more trustworthy than Iran is any day Sharon.
 
Says you Sharon. Sorry, I would trust him more than the Mullahs or Ahmed ANY DAY.

Read Van Creveld.

Martin van Creveld - News

"This splendid volume affirms what we already know: Martin van Creveld is the most creative, most insightful, and most important military historian writing in English today." -Andrew J. Bacevich, author of The New American Militarism: How Americans Are Seduced by War

"For more than thirty years Martin van Creveld has been one of the world’s foremost military thinkers. In The Culture of War, van Creveld once more shows an exceptional mastery of his subject as he explores a vital but rarely acknowledged aspect of war, its deep-rooted culture.
 
What were American soldiers doing in Iraq? Oh yea they were geting rid of Iran's mortal enemy and handing the country over to Iranian puppets. I'm so glad we lost all those lives for that.
Point one: you agree with me that Iran has been killing Americans and Brits in Iraq.
Point two: Whether you believe the Iraq war was a good war or a bad war is not relevant to point one.
 
Point one: you agree with me that Iran has been killing Americans and Brits in Iraq.
Point two: Whether you believe the Iraq war was a good war or a bad war is not relevant to point one.

What else could they say? Who would they blame since the neo-cons were telling the people that it would be over in a month and we would be welcomed as liberators..

So suddenly it Iran and Al Qaeda to blame.

Read Creveld.
 
Sanctions are working in Iran.. They have been on gas rationing since 2007.

They can't sell their oil at their break even point of $117 pr barrel so half their tanker fleet is being used for storage. What oil they are selling is deeply discounted.
What are the sanctions for? Are they accomplishing their objective?

I think you may discover that sanctions cause hardships for the subjects but do not prevent the regime form accomplishing its goals.
 
Let's face it, Iran is one of the most hostile nations towards the U.S. We here in the U.S. are getting sick and tired of hearing all the crap they spew all the time. A poor excuse for a country that oppresses women, kills it's own citizens when they try to rise up against the tyranny, human rights violators, death to America chanters, supporters of terrorism. Let me just say that I would trust Israel over Iran ANY DAY.
. . . and most nights. :)
 
I said, "Point one: you agree with me that Iran has been killing Americans and Brits in Iraq.
Point two: Whether you believe the Iraq war was a good war or a bad war is not relevant to point one."

To which you replied:

What else could they say? Who would they blame since the neo-cons were telling the people that it would be over in a month and we would be welcomed as liberators..

So suddenly it Iran and Al Qaeda to blame.

Read Creveld.

Please review points one and two again. The Iranians have been attacking and killing us in Iraq for a very long time.
Your feelings about the war have nothing whatever to do with point one.

I have several of his books. Supplying war among them.
 
I do like Netanyahu. If he ran for president of this country he would have my vote.
With the one term Marxist's example I think it could fly. After all, the Marxist did not have to prove he was a natural born citizen.

Bibi only got 22% of the vote in Israel and has a 30% approval rating.

What has he ever accomplished?
 
you should read again my posts ,or improve your english :roll:

cpwill tried to own all kind of democratic values as the biggest inventions of the west.no ,not every freedom belongs to the west.thats what I mean.YES I know we gained lots of westerner modern values after the revolution.but it doesnt mean we are modern by means of the west..you all know your number one west colonized this world ,thats why they dislike turks ,we are the only one to whom they couldnt do this thing


Actually I like the Turks. And I think they will find that they are very happy in the long run that they didn't tie themselves to the EU - :lol: the sick man of europe is now the entire southern half of europe. But that doesn't mean that I'm not going to pretend like the notion that sovereignty flows upward from the people to the government wasn't a Western invention, nor the political structures of governance built to match that notion.
 
think tanks dont work for pakistanis :lol:

Pakistan already has some fairly democratic structures. :) Influence of the British ;)




but PNAC's basic thrust, that America's interests are best served when aligned with her beliefs, remains as true today as it was when they formed in the late 90s.
 
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