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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Regarding Ahmadinejad... he insists his country's nuclear program is only for electricity generation and medical research but he is not doing anything to put anyones fears to rest. For the love of God Ahmadinejad, shut your mouth for once and just open up all your facilities to inspectors from the U.N. nuclear agency to prove the intent of your enrichment of uranium. There is still time to resolve the dispute through diplomatic channels.
    Stop enriching uranium to 20%, stop having us find particles at 25-30%, and go back to 2-4% reactor grade enrichment. Agree to having fuel reprocessed abroad on a temporary basis. Have inspections and observed transfer of unneeded U-235 stockpiles to international supervision.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    your 25,000 figure is incorrect

    there are about 1.5 million Iranian citizens that identify themselves as Jews in Iran today
    OK klown, my source is already up. Wikipedia, themselves further footnoted.
    BTW this is the latest and it's is NOW a THIRD of the 25k it was estimated at only years previous.

    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews#Iran

    However, a Census in August 2012 revealed that there were Only 8,756 Jews still living in Iran.
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    What's Your source Klown?
    "1.5 Million?"
    LOL

    What a Disgrace. klown Lying even After the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klown View Post
    Wikipedia hey? lol
    An online source run by who exactly?

    You seem to be confusing the Orthodox Jewish population in Iran which is modest in number

    THere are 1.47 million Iranians who identify themselves as Jews in Iran today

    check some reliable sources rather than wikipedia articles which you cannot interpret properly yourself
    What a RAGING LIE you repeat.
    Now Klown even made it more Specific "1.47 million."
    Going for the Goebbelsian "Big Lie".

    LINK? Or pulled from Your rear end klown?
    What Disgraceful Lies klown tells..
    When Caught he tells Bigger Lies.


    Wikpedia [18] cites AFP sourcing the Iranian Presdent's website amar.org.IR with the Iranian 2011 Census.

    AFP: Iran young, urbanised and educated: census
    Iran young, urbanised and educated: Census
    AFP – Jul 29, 2012

    TEHRAN — Iran is a very urbanised society with a largely educated, young Muslim population that ranks as the Middle East's second-biggest, its Latest Census figures, published on Sunday, show.

    The snapshot, issued on the website of the presidency's planning and strategic supervision department (www.amar.org.ir), also corrected some misconceptions about the country, notably by reporting fewer than expected Jews and Internet users.

    The census, whose data was collected in 2011 and presented in resume last week by the department's officials, gave Iran's total population as 75.2 million, 99.4% of whom are Muslim.
    That was larger than any other country in the region except for Egypt (81 million, according to the World Bank).[........]

    There are 8,756 Jews in the country, according to the census. That was fewer than the 20,000 figure previously estimated.

    [......]
    Link for your now Even Bigger LIE "1.47 million"?

    What Outrageous LIES Klown not only tells, but when Caught, Repeats.
    PATHOLOGICAL LYING.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That's happening in dozens of countries all over the world. Should we just invade them all?



    No, just the ones we pick and choose.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    The right-wing wants a war before the election. This includes the right-wing of Israel.
    “The people do no want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Regarding Ahmadinejad... he insists his country's nuclear program is only for electricity generation and medical research but he is not doing anything to put anyones fears to rest.
    Missile cooperation with North Korea, supporting terrorists in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and elsewhere... without the public pronouncements of 'death to America/Israel', it's just not reasonable for the regime to get nukes. Leaving aside the regime using/selling/losing nukage, another blacked-out hellhole country is not cool.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I don't care if Iran feels threatened. I want them to feel threatened, because I am in fact threatening them. The issue is that an Iranian nuclear weapon creates a level of strategic invulnerability that will in turn allow it to flex its muscles as it seeks regional hegemony taking aggressive steps that it has hitherto been unwilling to take. An Iranian nuclear weapon is inimical to US interests, to the pursuit of liberal hegemony, and of the Iranian people.
    A nuclear weapon wouldn't be good for US interests, but it also probably would do a great deal to harm them. It also wouldn't necessarily make Iran a regional hegemon. Iran would have to do a lot more than acquire nukes to get that.

    And my post wasn't premised on the notion that you should "care" about Iran in any sympathetic way. It was a retort to the implications that Iran only has irrational reasons for wanting nukes. That's a lie that people have unfortunately bought from the government and mainstream media.
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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm sorry, I just don't believe that Iran is the most threatened country in that region, or even close. That would definitely be Israel. Israel is the country plagued by suicide bombers and rogue bombs. Israel is the country who is disliked by all surrounding countries, so I think that you are misinformed.
    I never said that Iran is the "most threatened" country in the region. I said that it is a lie to say that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. That is blatantly false. When Israel and the United States make constant threats, when some of your neighbors have been invaded by the United States and when many of your other neighbors are US allies, your security is "truly" threatened. Anybody who would deny that is uninformed and it's frankly quite frustrating, as someone who knows a lot about this issue, to see such willful refusal to acknowledge that.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    The West survived the cold war for the very reason it started, no country will launch nukes as they know it will be their very destruction. Even if Iran were to acquire a short range nuke they wont fire, why would they? They want a nuke for the same reason most countries want a nuke so they can be taken seriously and have more chips on the table.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    A nuclear weapon wouldn't be good for US interests, but it also probably would do a great deal to harm them. It also wouldn't necessarily make Iran a regional hegemon. Iran would have to do a lot more than acquire nukes to get that.

    And my post was premised on the notion that you should "care" about Iran in any sympathetic way. It was a retort to the implications that Iran only has irrational reasons for wanting nukes. That's a lie that people have unfortunately bought from the government and mainstream media.
    Certainly Iran has 'rational' reasons for seeking a nuclear weapon, that doesn't mean they should have them. I think an absolutely massive facet of this many overlook is the way in which nuclear weapons would shift the strategic calculus in the region, particularly from Iran's perspective. My point, and the point that many have made, is that a nuclear Iran obviates Iranian fears of regime change and significantly reduces their concern over a conventional strike on their territory.

    As a result of this new-found security Iran would be able to more aggressively pursue its regional objectives, which revolve around regional hegemony. It's ability to project proxy forces would aggressively increase on critical fronts including Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories. Furthermore its ability to use its nuclear capability as a buffer would significantly increase their propensity for launching limited conventional attacks at Gulf targets, or along its periphery in reaction to geopolitical tensions. The underground battle for Iraq being waged by Iranian and Gulf (primarily Saudi) agents, donors, and proxies could become overt. So many things could happen, and we can pretty clearly see many of the ones that would happen, it would be a terrible thing to allow to occur.

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    re: Iran is heating up . . . [W:259]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I never said that Iran is the "most threatened" country in the region. I said that it is a lie to say that Israel is the only "truly" threatened country in the region. That is blatantly false. When Israel and the United States make constant threats, when some of your neighbors have been invaded by the United States and when many of your other neighbors are US allies, your security is "truly" threatened. Anybody who would deny that is uninformed and it's frankly quite frustrating, as someone who knows a lot about this issue, to see such willful refusal to acknowledge that.
    Iran is the country that does all the ridiculous threatening posturing. It is a hostile country, oppressive to it's people. I believe a lot of terrorists come from Iran too. And their leaders are not playing with a full deck obviously.

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