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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So, when a rule like this applies to a union, you're against it, but when the same concept applies to anyone else, you're for it.


    Gotcha.
    wrong again
    50% plus one signs a form agreeing to union representation or to end union representation, that simple majority wins
    failing to respond means you agree to what is proposed without opposition

    as another example, this circumstance happens all the time in union shops. management issues a change of condition of employment. seldom does it even say to the union "unless you tender a counter proposal within 14 calendar days* this change takes effect", which is what the letter to the parent of female students effectively said. the union must recognize that management is imposing a change of conditions and must then respond with a counter proposal, or allow the proposed change to be adopted without further challenge. that happens when the union does nothing ... when the union fails to respond, just like the parent who fails to respond
    so, again, you are exhibiting your ignorance about the ways unions operate



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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What if the students need medication?
    The school doesn't dispense it, period. If the child is on precsribed medication, the school may administer it per the doctor's orders if they are comfortable with that and if they have time, otherwise, if the child needs medical care or is sick, they shouldn't be at school in the first place.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    I see a rough road ahead for this ruling. Assisted murder charges (even though it isn't, the pill will not terminate a pregnancy, it prevents zygote attachment), but still arguable in court. Public school over riding parental legal decisions (for students who are not old enough to sign a legally binding contract) could lead to the argument that the state is responsible for all financial requirements applicable to raising the child to legal age, religious discrimination suits, not to mention media battles. As in everything else political, it's not about winning the case as much as it is destroying the person in the spotlight. And if that ends up being those in politics they will fold like the spineless bastards they are.

    My opinion : I have no problem with the use of the day after pill as long as the decision is left to the legal guardians. If the state gets in the way of that they are making themselves de facto guardians and should then be responsible for all financial needs of the child until they are 18.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it is a foolish "customer" who would pay fees which he did not authorize
    yes, some companies prey on stupid people
    but that has no application in this instance. if the student has no need for meds then they will not receive them


    quite rare. and where the school can show that it sent the letter to the address provided by the parent(a) as the parent(s) address, that school has satisfied it requirement of notification


    this is the reason for a requirement to opt out. those indifferent, irresponsible parents who cannot bother to keep track of, or even read their mail from the schools, are more likely to be the ones to have daughters who will need these meds


    no it doesn't. the parents will have received notification. they will have received notice about what they must do to prevent their daughters from receiving school dispensed meds. they either act on those instructions to opt out or they have agreed that their daughter is eligible to receive the meds as needed


    the parent does get to make the decision. they can decide to opt out - by sending the requisite notice - or by doing nothing they opt in. either way, the parent makes the decision
    This is nothing a parent could reasonable expect to be part of schooling for effing sakes. You know, education. Dispensing medication and may I add medication that is not required for an emergency or an existing diganosed medical condition and to a minor and for something that may be against the parents express wishes. This is wrong on many levels. An opt out letter is ridiculous in this case It is not like an opt out letter for permission for a field trip to the local park.
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    This is nothing a parent could reasonable expect to be part of schooling for effing sakes. You know, education. Dispensing medication and may I add medication that is not required for an emergency or an existing diganosed medical condition and to a minor and for something that may be against the parents express wishes. This is wrong on many levels. An opt out letter is ridiculous in this case It is not like an opt out letter for permission for a field trip to the local park.
    it is exactly like an opt out letter where the parents tell the school not to allow their daughter to participate in a field trip
    the parents have notice of the school's intent. they have a means to opt out of the school's process
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it is exactly like an opt out letter where the parents tell the school not to allow their daughter to participate in a field trip
    the parents have notice of the school's intent. they have a means to opt out of the school's process
    Oh yeah, it is like a field trip opt out letter but in my opion entirely inappropriate for this issue.
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    So, the principle is more important then the end result. Got it.
    Actually yes, it does.

    The ends do not justify the means.

    When you act from a non-principled stance, you usually wind up causing more problems then you started with.

    Giving kids drugs, is pretty much a ridiculous notion to condone, much less put into practice.

    This is not the school's business. Nor is it government's business.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Actually yes, it does.

    The ends do not justify the means.

    When you act from a non-principled stance, you usually wind up causing more problems then you started with.

    Giving kids drugs, is pretty much a ridiculous notion to condone, much less put into practice.

    This is not the school's business. Nor is it government's business.
    by administering these meds, the school can resolve an unwanted medical problem
    that is in our nation's interest
    unless you think paying welfare for more unwanted kids is a good thing
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    by administering these meds, the school can resolve an unwanted medical problem
    that is in our nation's interest
    unless you think paying welfare for more unwanted kids is a good thing
    Exactly. I'd say that Hat should compare the cost of a thirty-dollar contraceptive to the societal cost of high school dropouts, but I know he'll just go in a circle about who should do what until it basically comes down to people should never make a mistake ever in their lives because of his PRINCIPLED stand that no one should ever pay a red cent for anyone else's well-being.

    It's an annoying debate tactic, for reals. Why address an actual issue when you can just pine and complain that people aren't perfect??

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Giving kids drugs, is pretty much a ridiculous notion to condone, much less put into practice.
    Poor phrasing. Are you opposed to giving kids drugs in general, or that the cost of certain drugs you don't like are being paid for by the public?

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