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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Weren't there complaints about notification and confirmation. It is one thing to send out a notice for approval by a parent and another thing to send out a notice basically saying we intend to give your child birth control unless you tell us otherwise. Don't know the details but just saying.
    What's the difference between the two?

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    Weren't there complaints about notification and confirmation. It is one thing to send out a notice for approval by a parent and another thing to send out a notice basically saying we intend to give your child birth control unless you tell us otherwise. Don't know the details but just saying.
    what more does a parent need other than notification that they can opt out of the program on behalf of their daughter
    if they fail to do so, then they have opted for their daughter to participate in the program
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm largely in agreement, actually. The only part I'm uncomfortable with is inclusion of "agendas" into the discussion. I think this issue can be settled rationally, but if it becomes about left vs. right then any hope of finding a rational solution will be toast. For example, if someone's opinion of this story was influenced, in some odd way, by their opinion of abortion, then all discussion would be pointless.
    Agreed. I can understand the school wanting to help keep students in school, but school is not the parent and only in extreme circumstances should government take on the roll. The agenda folks typically either are against abortion and view the morning after pill as a form of it or they don't trust the parents to make what they consider the proper decision so they want the decision taken away from the parents.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what more does a parent need other than notification that they can opt out of the program on behalf of their daughter
    if they fail to do so, then they have opted for their daughter to participate in the program
    This is the same trick credit card and other companies do to get people to "try out" a service for free and all they have to do is cancel by a certain date otherwise you start getting charged for it. And notices get lost in the mail, misplaced and otherwise go unread. Something this serious needs positive confirmation from the parent. What a parent needs is a letter asking if their child can be included. You don't get to make this decision for the parent.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Kids with actual parenting probably aren't going to need that pill anyway? Either way, those that get the pill aren't going to be pregnant. Less teenage (potential Welfare) moms is a bad thing?
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    This is the same trick credit card and other companies do to get people to "try out" a service for free and all they have to do is cancel by a certain date otherwise you start getting charged for it.
    it is a foolish "customer" who would pay fees which he did not authorize
    yes, some companies prey on stupid people
    but that has no application in this instance. if the student has no need for meds then they will not receive them

    And notices get lost in the mail,
    quite rare. and where the school can show that it sent the letter to the address provided by the parent(a) as the parent(s) address, that school has satisfied it requirement of notification

    ... misplaced and otherwise go unread.
    this is the reason for a requirement to opt out. those indifferent, irresponsible parents who cannot bother to keep track of, or even read their mail from the schools, are more likely to be the ones to have daughters who will need these meds

    Something this serious needs positive confirmation from the parent.
    no it doesn't. the parents will have received notification. they will have received notice about what they must do to prevent their daughters from receiving school dispensed meds. they either act on those instructions to opt out or they have agreed that their daughter is eligible to receive the meds as needed

    What a parent needs is a letter asking if their child can be included. You don't get to make this decision for the parent.
    the parent does get to make the decision. they can decide to opt out - by sending the requisite notice - or by doing nothing they opt in. either way, the parent makes the decision
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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    I don't know what the pharmacy requires. 18 sounds right. My "lady of the night" was 27 so it wasn't an issue in my only personal experience.

    My personal sense of it is conflicted. Of course the parents should know but OTOH if the parents are going to be told, a young person might be scared to act promptly and thus get pregnant which starts involving the decision to forcibly end a pregnancy or give the world another unwanted child with an immature mother.

    Which is the lesser evil?

    I slightly favor the schools position but..........






    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    How about the parent who is understanding and would, with her daughter, choose to allow use of the pill? They still want to know what is up with the daughter and what medication she is taking. The school should not be stepping in and deciding what the parent should and should not know. No matter how backwards you think some parents are in their views about sex it is not for the school make broad judgements about it. Get all parents involved and get specific permission from them to have their kids enrolled in the program or not.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what more does a parent need other than notification that they can opt out of the program on behalf of their daughter
    if they fail to do so, then they have opted for their daughter to participate in the program
    So, when a rule like this applies to a union, you're against it, but when the same concept applies to anyone else, you're for it.


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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If children are required by law to attend school from 8am-3pm then not giving them access to basic medication is negligent.
    No, it's not. Contrary to your opinion most children don't need medication all day. In fact, in some states, schools are forbidden by law to dispense any medication. They are not hospitals, their personnel aren't medical personnel, they are there to teach, not medicate.

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    Re: NYC Schools Give Out Morning-After Pills To Students Without Telling Parents

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not. Contrary to your opinion most children don't need medication all day. In fact, in some states, schools are forbidden by law to dispense any medication. They are not hospitals, their personnel aren't medical personnel, they are there to teach, not medicate.
    What if the students need medication?

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