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Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

That is true. But it's also true that the message is delivered by actually pissing on the image of Christ. I could definitely see Christians dismissing the message because it's delivered in such a disrespectful manner.

Irony doesn't automatically make something demand respect.

I agree. No matter how you look at it, the insult to modern day Christians couldn't be more clear. I'm not saying it deserves respect, all I'm saying is that it's always better to know what you're actually being insulted about. If only to craft a suitable response and avoid lending more credence to the initial irony.
 
I just do not understand this crap.

Honestly, only comes from people who have a beef with Muslims.

Certainly J-mac and you do.

How the hell is it an apology, for the government to say "Hey We don't endorse a Islam being mocked in this manner" because the United States has a great deal more to gain by saying such a thing than they have to gain from ignorant islamophobes who associate the few violent muslims with the rest of them.

That's then taken by far right wingers as "Apologizing to terrorists" when he's turning them into chicken Tika using drones every other week.

I don't even know what universe you people live in... honestly.

This isn't about apologies, this is about you being pissed off that there aren't more people sticking it to Islam because you have a problem with it, Obama administration in particular.

Tell how all this deference has helped?
 
It did? Tell the family of Chris Stevens that...

The Libyans and their government have attackd the terrorists and caused two militias to disband......
 
My ilk? That's nice. I'll look into the "message" it wants to portray, but then again that doesn't invalidate anything I've said in my original post.

Who cares what the artist is trying to say? It's disgusting and offensive on its face. I could create a picture of the US flag with sht all over it and claim it's about people hurting the US - and that doesn't really change the obvious message. The artist's appeal to exclusionist cults only makes it more lame.
 
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The Libyans and their government have attackd the terrorists and caused two militias to disband......

SOME Libyans have countered the attacks in Benghazi. I feel for show. After all the military style storming, burning, and take over of a US consulate and the killing of American diplomats is an act of war. Some in that region still know that the people can force the feckless, coward President to act in ways they won't like. But, all in all Obama has tipped a weak hand to our enemies.
 
SOME Libyans have countered the attacks in Benghazi. I feel for show. After all the military style storming, burning, and take over of a US consulate and the killing of American diplomats is an act of war. Some in that region still know that the people can force the feckless, coward President to act in ways they won't like. But, all in all Obama has tipped a weak hand to our enemies.

Obama is just smarter than th average bear.

We aren't weak.. The idea is to play to win .......
 
Obama is just smarter than th average bear.

We aren't weak.. The idea is to play to win .......

If you think that Ambassadors dying, and Embassy's being taken over with enemy flags being hoisted is winning, then you have a real problem understanding the concept IMHO.
 
If you think that Ambassadors dying, and Embassy's being taken over with enemy flags being hoisted is winning, then you have a real problem understanding the concept IMHO.

You are inventing lies again.

All this has happened since the poor Ambassador was killed.
 
You are inventing lies again.

All this has happened since the poor Ambassador was killed.

Sounds pretty cold Sharon.
 
Who cares what the artist is trying to say? It's disgusting and offensive on its face. I could create a picture of the US flag with sht all over it and claim it's about people hurting the US - and that doesn't really change the obvious message. The artist's appeal to exclusionist cults only makes it more lame.

Freedom of Speech, regardless of who's feelings get hurt. People like this can only "offend" you if YOU allow them to, and when you do allow them to, it only adds fuel to their fire because that is EXACTLY the reaction they want. I just think of them as foolish, ignorant and misguided idiots.
 
In recent days we have been witness to Obama's feckless, weak foreign policy in the Middle East, offering apology, after apology, including paying out some $70K for an ad to air in Pakistan, and their government still made Friday a holiday to protest, where 19 died...All this supposedly over a laughable movie, (Not really) and what is set to return just in time to offend Christians?



Will we see Ms. Rice sent out to all 5 Sunday shows to apologize for that? How about Hillary, who is looking frightening lately BTW...? Will Obama make it to the Rose Garden to denounce Mr. Sorrano? Doubt it....



Well don't hold your breath Rep. Grimm....Obama won't do that, he has no respect for religious values, or what offends Christians in this country. He only made a big deal over this stupid movie because it is a good distraction of his failed foreign policy of weakness.

This is a contrived nonissue regarding the President that both Congress and the US Supreme Court responded to years before. Indeed, two members of Congress used the Senate floor to forward personal agenda regarding this work of art. There is nothing this president or any president should say about Piss Christ in their official capacity.
 
Sounds pretty cold Sharon.

Nobody admires Ambassador Stevens more than I do.. and his murder is tragic. The shift in Libya has happened since his death..

The idea that this violence was acceptable to the average Libyan is stupid.
 
Nobody admires Ambassador Stevens more than I do.. and his murder is tragic. The shift in Libya has happened since his death..

The idea that this violence was acceptable to the average Libyan is stupid.

I'm sorry Sharon, but from everything I've read from you, it seems that your only interest is in making up reasons for why this violence is happening. Let's face it Sharon, some ideologies promote violence in certain areas in the ME. There are MANY Islamic clerics in the ME who encourage and promote these kinds of behaviors, and take advantage of the uneducated in doing so.
 
I'm sorry Sharon, but from everything I've read from you, it seems that your only interest is in making up reasons for why this violence is happening. Let's face it Sharon, some ideologies promote violence in certain areas in the ME. There are MANY Islamic clerics in the ME who encourage and promote these kinds of behaviors, and take advantage of the uneducated in doing so.

Then you obviously can't read.

Stevens was a good man, a friend to Libya and a skilled diplomat..

The Libyans and their government have attacked the militias and two militias have disbanded.
 
Then you obviously can't read.

Stevens was a good man, a friend to Libya and a skilled diplomat..

The Libyans and their government have attacked the militias and two militias have disbanded.

I'm more so talking about your cavalier attitude about things that actually do go on in the ME, like extremist clerics working the very poor and downtrodden to their own advantage. You seem to try to minimize things like that in every ME thread. Granted the majority of Muslims do not think or feel this way, but to discount the LARGE number of those who follow this rhetoric is not only naive but irresponsible. There are some ROTTEN things going on over there.
 
Nobody admires Ambassador Stevens more than I do.. and his murder is tragic...

Yeah, you sound so compassionate when you refer to the deceased Ambassador, as "the poor Ambassador".... I can almost hear the dripping disdain for your having to acknowledge that.
 
Yeah, you sound so compassionate when you refer to the deceased Ambassador, as "the poor Ambassador".... I can almost hear the dripping disdain for your having to acknowledge that.

A debate forum is no place for appeal to emotion logical fallacies. Try coming up with an argument that isn't a fallacy.
 
This is a contrived nonissue regarding the President that both Congress and the US Supreme Court responded to years before. Indeed, two members of Congress used the Senate floor to forward personal agenda regarding this work of art. There is nothing this president or any president should say about Piss Christ in their official capacity.

Contrived? Tell me connery, do you believe that we should cow to the demands of Muslim leaders in the ME telling us what we should do in this country?
 
Yeah, you sound so compassionate when you refer to the deceased Ambassador, as "the poor Ambassador".... I can almost hear the dripping disdain for your having to acknowledge that.

That's why I responded the way I did. It seemed to be almost dripping with sarcasm, but I guess it's really hard to tell on the internet. I just think it would be nice for some of these hard core leftists to actually admit that there is a problem instead of pointing out the crusades or the KKK or something. You just cannot have an honest debate about it with some people. They just REFUSE to admit there is a problem.
 
Contrived? Tell me connery, do you believe that we should cow to the demands of Muslim leaders in the ME telling us what we should do in this country?

Which Muslim leaders are telling the US what to do? I gotta hear this.
 
That's why I responded the way I did. It seemed to be almost dripping with sarcasm, but I guess it's really hard to tell on the internet. I just think it would be nice for some of these hard core leftists to actually admit that there is a problem instead of pointing out the crusades or the KKK or something. You just cannot have an honest debate about it with some people. They just REFUSE to admit there is a problem.

Oh absolutely, and I admire your control, eloquent manner in addressing that. It is only in the past decade I would say that the liberal playbook is becoming more widely known..With the open analysis of liberal icon writers like Alinsky, to the media taking the mask off in ever increasing and open ways it is repulsive to the average American I think....Many JFK democrats for instance say what the hell is happening to my party? Like wise for those on the right.
 
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