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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I just do not understand this crap.

    Honestly, only comes from people who have a beef with Muslims.

    Certainly J-mac and you do.

    How the hell is it an apology, for the government to say "Hey We don't endorse a Islam being mocked in this manner" because the United States has a great deal more to gain by saying such a thing than they have to gain from ignorant islamophobes who associate the few violent muslims with the rest of them.

    That's then taken by far right wingers as "Apologizing to terrorists" when he's turning them into chicken Tika using drones every other week.

    I don't even know what universe you people live in... honestly.

    This isn't about apologies, this is about you being pissed off that there aren't more people sticking it to Islam because you have a problem with it, Obama administration in particular.
    Chicken Tika?

    That cracked me up.

    Now, while I don't necessarily beleive it's wrong for the State Dept to make known that that video doesn't represent the view of the American people, I don't think saying so should have been the lead off response considering that it was clearly just an opportunistic coincidence used to incite violence by Al-Qaeda and was indeed actually a terrorist attack. Not just some pissed off Muslims.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    There's a world of difference. First of all, the anti-Muslim film is very clearly anti-Muslim. That and it's also a film. Piss Christ, whether you like it or not, is art. It may not be your kind of art, but that doesn't change the fact that it is.
    Oh please...Who defines what is art?
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please...Who defines what is art?
    I'd say that the person who released it gets to define whether it should be considered as art or not.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'd say that the person who released it gets to define whether it should be considered as art or not.
    Same as the movie, then, right?
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Where is the outrage from the Obama Administration? Nowhere.


    Only when radical Islam is offended comes the flood of apologies. That's Obama's way, but everybody knows that by now, so it's no surprise really.
    Can you point me to a video where obama is apologizing to muslims?
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please...Who defines what is art?
    People who know about it beyond laymen terms. Going to a museum does not qualify as "knowing about art".
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'd say that the person who released it gets to define whether it should be considered as art or not.
    Hahahahahaha! Great...I have some water colors from 1st grade that I think is art, so let's get a frame, and put it up at Sotheby's... Art is subjective...And all the pretentious, pompous asses in the world can within their little groups of echo snobbery can say all they want, doesn't make it anymore than opinion.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    People who know about it beyond laymen terms. Going to a museum does not qualify as "knowing about art".
    That's called snobbery.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hahahahahaha! Great...I have some water colors from 1st grade that I think is art, so let's get a frame, and put it up at Sotheby's... Art is subjective...And all the pretentious, pompous asses in the world can within their little groups of echo snobbery can say all they want, doesn't make it anymore than opinion.

    As the saying goes down here in the south brother....'Just because the Cat has kittens in the oven, don't make 'em biscuts....'
    Not all art is GOOD art. So, sadly, you're 1st water colors might not make the grade for Sotheby's.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Art is anything that a person uses as self expression. That's what art is all about. We have lots of different ways of expressing lots of different aspects of ourselves, and therefor, lot's of different art forms, from the more physical like dance and martial arts, to the metaphysical, like music and color composition...and everything else in between.

    Words are an art form, because we use them to express ourselves...in the most literal of ways. Images, video, all of these things, inevitably, fall into this category. Does that mean that everything we do is art? No. When I worked on the night shift and packed out shelves, we called it an art form, because of the skill and concentration involved with getting row after row of Cherrio boxes to stand up just right, flat, neat, even, perfect. But in no way was I expressing myself. No Louvre worthy piece, that, then. Art then, requires two things...feeling, intent, something to be expressed...and an audience. The "Pissed Christ" has both, as does "The Innocence of Muslims". Now, one belongs in a gallery, because, frankly, the work is beautiful, well executed, etc...while the other belongs in the trash bin that is the internet, final resting place of all expression, because it was NOT well executed, poorly choreogrphed, filmed, and lit. Good and art and bad art is up to the VIEWER to decide...but the VIEWER can never determine if it IS art or not. They can have an opinion, as do we all...but you know something about opinions? They're just like assholes.

    Question for some of you. What if someone re-shot the "Innocence of Muslims", but with good lenses, beautiful lighting, a better written script (with Morgan Freeman narrating), etc etc?

    Would it then be art, despite NO change in content?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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