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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Politics aside, I always thought "Piss Christ" was kind of beautiful. Honestly, if you didn't know it was piss, wouldn't you think it's kind of a beautiful photograph? That aside, the message behind "Piss Christ" has been made clear by previous posters and I agree that it is right on. I don't think it's an insult to Jesus or his message, but rather what people have done with his message.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Politics aside, I always thought "Piss Christ" was kind of beautiful. Honestly, if you didn't know it was piss, wouldn't you think it's kind of a beautiful photograph? That aside, the message behind "Piss Christ" has been made clear by previous posters and I agree that it is right on. I don't think it's an insult to Jesus or his message, but rather what people have done with his message.

    Well, that's wonderful...Hey, I got an idea....Let's send you and the others over to the ME so that you can waive your hand of reason over the angry demonstrations there...What do ya think? Hell, all you'd have to do is let them know that the video maker was an artist, and his interpretation of what he produced is benign and really doesn't insult their faith, but rather is a commentary on what Muslims themselves are doing to it....Yeah....That'll work....
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Obviously Christians, if they don't wish to see this kind of thing anymore, should simply riot and kill people since apparently acting like complete savages and in an entirely illogical manner is justification for denying other people freedom of speech.
    Shut up! That may work, but it can't be encouraged
    (I know you were being facetious in your endorsement, as I am in my condemnation of you in this post)

    But yes, it's kinda odd that people would not give Christians the reprieve they'll give others over the same subject line. Irrational response cannot be held to another individual. My question is....why would anyone go to see a jar of someone else's piss? I'm as atheist as the next guy, but I don't really give a **** and I certainly don't want to view various jars of bodily fluids.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I just do not understand this crap.

    Honestly, only comes from people who have a beef with Muslims.

    Certainly J-mac and you do.

    How the hell is it an apology, for the government to say "Hey We don't endorse a Islam being mocked in this manner" because the United States has a great deal more to gain by saying such a thing than they have to gain from ignorant islamophobes who associate the few violent muslims with the rest of them.

    That's then taken by far right wingers as "Apologizing to terrorists" when he's turning them into chicken Tika using drones every other week.

    I don't even know what universe you people live in... honestly.

    This isn't about apologies, this is about you being pissed off that there aren't more people sticking it to Islam because you have a problem with it, Obama administration in particular.
    There are a couple of things wrong with it. First of all there are many instances of religions other than Islam and especially Chrisitian being disrespected in film, speaches, books, etc., It happens all of the time. We don't need to treat Muslims special with respect to this issue just because they go nuts and kill people over it. There should be nothing but condemnation of the violence and no apologies or excuses. We need to support our way of life and not the dictates of radical religions overseas. And recognozing as you have that the real issue is their dissatisfaction with our foreign policy, apologize for that or again simply condemn the violence.
    It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Non-issue is a non-issue. The Bush admin also denounced things objectionable to Islam (in 2006, the cartoons) while never saying a thing on things that offended Christians. I never heard a single conservative say he was weak for doing so or criticize him for apologizing for America. They are only acting butt-hurt now for political points. Nothing new from the "Do as I say, not as I do" crowd.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, that's wonderful...Hey, I got an idea....Let's send you and the others over to the ME so that you can waive your hand of reason over the angry demonstrations there...What do ya think? Hell, all you'd have to do is let them know that the video maker was an artist, and his interpretation of what he produced is benign and really doesn't insult their faith, but rather is a commentary on what Muslims themselves are doing to it....Yeah....That'll work....
    Yeah, because that's the same thing.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Yeah, because that's the same thing.
    Explain the difference smart guy? Snarky response, and roll eyes smiley's don't cut it.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Explain the difference smart guy? Snarky response, and roll eyes smiley's don't cut it.
    There's a world of difference. First of all, the anti-Muslim film is very clearly anti-Muslim. That and it's also a film. Piss Christ, whether you like it or not, is art. It may not be your kind of art, but that doesn't change the fact that it is. Not only that, but the artist's intentions behind the piece have been explained. I'd say that it's an insult to people who do horrible thing in the name of Jesus and who essentially piss all over him. I fail to see how it is an insult to Jesus. Feel free to interpret it how you want to, though. Also, the people who are upset about the Muslim film are in a completely different culture that isn't a civilized as our culture is. Honor is an important thing there. This doesn't justify the violence, but it explains it. So for you to compare the two situations is completely ****ing ridiculous.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Obviously Christians, if they don't wish to see this kind of thing anymore, should simply riot and kill people since apparently acting like complete savages and in an entirely illogical manner is justification for denying other people freedom of speech.
    Well, Christians aren't rioting and burning cars over it, and that's a point in their favor, I guess. But goddamn if they aren't acting like little bitches over it every chance they get.

    I seriously don't know who Christians are expecting sympathy from. Not me, I hope. I'm Jewish-Atheist, two categories who aren't even allowed to be president. Christians own this country, and have the luxury of getting bitchy when a piece of offending artwork is made.

    We don't get to hold high government offices. So, I hope you'll pardon me if I say in response, bite me.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The biggest lie told about this piece it's that is an attack on Jesus. If anything it's about the way in which modern Christians have corrupted the message of Christ.
    Exactly. The modern Christian dogma that Christ can be your personal cosmic gofer, who will make you wealthy, and that Christians owe absolutely nothing to the poor is exactly that - Pissing on Christ.
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