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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I wasn't aware that someone made it sound like a compliment. It's certainly not a compliment. It is an ignorant thing to do though, but I try to not let ignoramuses bother me . . . too much anyway.
    The argument is that it is a compliment, based on the artist's explanation. A compliment that illustrates how Christians are the problem, not Jesus. hahaha



    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Another person who doesn't understand the image at all. I wish you'd spend less time being offended and more time actually understanding it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're offended for the wrong reasons. The image isn't attacking Christ. It's attacking the way in which people have destroyed his message. So it's not attacking him, it's attacking you and your ilk.
    But he's not supposed to be offended.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Piss Christ was over 20 years ago. Some of the shock might have worn off.
    Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses was in 1988, Muslims just raised the bounty on his head a couple of weeks ago. You'd think some of this would wear off, but apparently not.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    One has nothing to do with the other.
    Oh absolutely one does have everything to do with the other on several different levels...

    1. The disgusting photo is very insulting to devout Christians in this country as well as others, just as this simple, low budget youtube video is insulting to Muslims.

    2. We have free speech in this country to do this, that is what the SCOTUS upheld, however, the Obama administration felt it necessary to publicly march the maker of the video out under Sheriff parade for the camera's they said for questioning, and then asked youtube if they would reconsider pulling the video (a clear attempt to censor) to which youtube said no, good for them. Are they asking Seranno to not display his trash?

    3. Obama's administration has made a point of shaping his policy in the ME based on appeasement, and deference to their sensibilities, where as here in the US he has made it a point to dismiss Christians, bully Christians, and now he has the chance to show that he is even handed in his condemnation of insulting productions by Americans, and will he? no, and you will dismiss that unequal treatment in any way you can.

    Congress made a law regarding a the National Endowment on the Arts the US Supreme Court ruled that it was constitutional.
    So why put out an apology commercial to Pakistan then?

    That ruling was in 1998. Why on earth would Obama or any president comment on this in his official capacity?
    You are conflating into an argument that which has not been argued by me. That is a strawman argument sir.

    Sharia law is not the law of the land in the US so the answer is no.
    Ah, but that is just it, there are those that see nothing wrong with Sharia being instituted in the US, including those sitting on the SC bench that tend to look outside the constitution to arrive at their decisions.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    The quran has not been cheapened and commercialized in any culture that I am aware of.
    Have you been to Mecca? Medina? Chances are pretty good that you have not. So you really can't make that statement with any real credibility can you?

    And given that Serranos has a Christian background, not a Muslim one, it would make little sense for him to comment on that which he does not know.
    Oh Please! are you really trying to say that his offensive photo was done because he understands Christianity? And if he were Muslim, he would have possibly offended Islam in the same manner? Do us a favor, and don't insult our intelligence please.

    I think people need to stop dragging their politics in to this. Even though its presidential election season, not EVERYTHING is about politics.
    Then you better look to Obama, and the liberal, progressive left first and foremost. It is Obama's foreign policy that is melting down in front of our eyes. It is Obama that is bullying the Christian faiths forcing them to provide things against their religious tenants. For liberal progressives, and Obama, everything is political, and in bounds.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Have you been to Mecca? Medina? Chances are pretty good that you have not. So you really can't make that statement with any real credibility can you?

    Oh Please! are you really trying to say that his offensive photo was done because he understands Christianity? And if he were Muslim, he would have possibly offended Islam in the same manner? Do us a favor, and don't insult our intelligence please.
    Have you ever met Serano do you know anything about him? Do you know anything about art?





    Then you better look to Obama, and the liberal, progressive left first and foremost. It is Obama's foreign policy that is melting down in front of our eyes. It is Obama that is bullying the Christian faiths forcing them to provide things against their religious tenants. For liberal progressives, and Obama, everything is political, and in bounds.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Have you ever met Serano
    Do you really think that is relevant to forming an opinion of his art? I suppose it could create a bias in the person who meets the celebrity, but otherwise?

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you really think that is relevant to forming an opinion of his art? I suppose it could create a bias in the person who meets the celebrity, but otherwise?
    Is going to Mecca relavent like j=mac brought up?

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Is going to Mecca relavent like j=mac brought up?
    I think he was pointing out the fallacy 'argumentum ad I been thereum'.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think he was pointing out the fallacy 'argumentum ad I been thereum'.
    That is what I was doing.

    BTW I studied art at that in NYC at the time this controversy was hot. And like I said the image itself (the studium) is nothing that great. It is all the baggage that comes with it that gives it its punctum.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And like I said the image itself (the studium) is nothing that great. It is all the baggage that comes with it that gives it its punctum.
    Which makes it different than some stupid movie how?

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