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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    I take Andres Serrano, the artist, at his word when he claims that the photograph"alludes to a perceived commercializing or cheapening of Christian icons in contemporary culture." Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Let's look at the photo:

    220px-Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_(1987).jpg

    I would like to see an artist made print of the photo to see it in the color and saturation that Serrano intended. This scan probably does not do the original justice.

    I think the image is well composed and has a soft quality that makes the crucified Christ look even more tragic than it would out of the urine. The lighting particularly is well chosen. To me, the photo says that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross retains its dignity, perhaps it is even enhanced, by the degradation and marginalization of the crucifixion in popular culture.

    All Christians know that persecution is coming, because it has been foretold. We must all expect to suffer for His name. Serrano, whether intentionally or unintentionally, has made an artistic statement about that very reality. Through it all, Christ's sacrifice retains its deep significance, and our salvation is not diminished one bit by the slings and arrows of those who hate or trivialize the word of God.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I take Andres Serrano, the artist, at his word when he claims that the photograph"alludes to a perceived commercializing or cheapening of Christian icons in contemporary culture." Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Let's look at the photo:

    220px-Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_(1987).jpg

    I would like to see an artist made print of the photo to see it in the color and saturation that Serrano intended. This scan probably does not do the original justice.

    I think the image is well composed and has a soft quality that makes the crucified Christ look even more tragic than it would out of the urine. The lighting particularly is well chosen. To me, the photo says that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross retains its dignity, perhaps it is even enhanced, by the degradation and marginalization of the crucifixion in popular culture.

    All Christians know that persecution is coming, because it has been foretold. We must all expect to suffer for His name. Serrano, whether intentionally or unintentionally, has made an artistic statement about that very reality. Through it all, Christ's sacrifice retains its deep significance, and our salvation is not diminished one bit by the slings and arrows of those who hate or trivialize the word of God.
    The scan is pretty good.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The scan is pretty good.
    Have you seen the original?
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I take Andres Serrano, the artist, at his word when he claims that the photograph"alludes to a perceived commercializing or cheapening of Christian icons in contemporary culture." Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Let's look at the photo:

    220px-Piss_Christ_by_Serrano_Andres_(1987).jpg

    I would like to see an artist made print of the photo to see it in the color and saturation that Serrano intended. This scan probably does not do the original justice.

    I think the image is well composed and has a soft quality that makes the crucified Christ look even more tragic than it would out of the urine. The lighting particularly is well chosen. To me, the photo says that the sacrifice of Christ on the cross retains its dignity, perhaps it is even enhanced, by the degradation and marginalization of the crucifixion in popular culture.

    All Christians know that persecution is coming, because it has been foretold. We must all expect to suffer for His name. Serrano, whether intentionally or unintentionally, has made an artistic statement about that very reality. Through it all, Christ's sacrifice retains its deep significance, and our salvation is not diminished one bit by the slings and arrows of those who hate or trivialize the word of God.
    The biggest lie told about this piece it's that is an attack on Jesus. If anything it's about the way in which modern Christians have corrupted the message of Christ.
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Have you seen the original?
    Yes several times. I've also met the artist. I use to watch the crowds out in front of the New Museum on Broadway protesting from a photo studio I worked in.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yes several times. I've also met the artist. I use to watch the crowds out in front of the New Museum on Broadway protesting from a photo studio I worked in.
    I see. What do you think of the photo? Controversy aside, what do you think it's value is as art?
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I see. What do you think of the photo? Controversy aside, what do you think it's value is as art?
    It is a fine photo. Would make a good stock image if it didn't have all the baggage associated with it.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is a fine photo. Would make a good stock image if it didn't have all the baggage associated with it.
    And legal repercussions. :P
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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The biggest lie told about this piece it's that is an attack on Jesus. If anything it's about the way in which modern Christians have corrupted the message of Christ.
    It is also about body fluids and how we react to them. In communion one is drinking blood yet if we see it around on street or what not we have a fear of it.

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    Re: Controversial 'Piss Christ' art back in NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And legal repercussions. :P
    The bagage is what gives the image its punctum.

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