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Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

I don't know. I didn't even know he was in office when the attacks occurred.
He, referring to the one term Marxist, flexible with our enemies, Barrack Hussein Obama, wasn't in the (oval) office when the Ambassador was murdered. He was fundraising. Or maybe heading to a fund raiser, or maybe recovering from one and going to the next.

No problem. The murder of four Americans was not much more than a bump in the road to the cold, cruel, one term Marxist.
 
He, referring to the one term Marxist, flexible with our enemies, Barrack Hussein Obama, wasn't in the (oval) office when the Ambassador was murdered. He was fundraising. Or maybe heading to a fund raiser, or maybe recovering from one and going to the next.

No problem. The murder of four Americans was not much more than a bump in the road to the cold, cruel, one term Marxist.

I thought the subject was the attack on the Twin Towers, not the murder of the ambassador.
 
Wake up and see the world for what it is, the world isn't so simple as to simply say an entire religion is at war with the United States. Hell Islam as a whole isn't even controlled by a single person, group, set of beliefs, etc. Are you telling me that the Muslim family living in my neighborhood is at war with this country? Perhaps the members of a Muslim community in China or Morocco?

And the last 50 years? What exactly happened in the 60s that you would consider to be the start of it all?
I would go back even earlier. Islam is a political-religious entity. It has been at war with the west and with modernity for a very long time.

But if you want to begin with a notable, memorable event like the massacres of Israelis in Munich we could start there. But that is not where the war between Islam and the west began.

Polls show that while many Islamists would not get their hands dirty murdering the western unbeliever they do not object to the goal of such murders.

They have waged war against us. Perhaps it is time to return war for war. Slaughter for slaughter. If they kill one of us we should utterly obliterate one of their holy sites for each murdered American. When we run out of holy sites then destroy their mosques. And when we run out of mosques kill their clerics and Imams. Where possible castrate the males, cover them in pigs blood, urine and feces. Then burn their bodies.

Eventually they shall tire of waging war against us. And then there shall be peace for a time.
 
The message your responded to was (clearly) about the murder of four Americans.

and the one you responded to was about 911. The original question was about when we realized that there were jihadis out to get us. That realization hit when they attacked the twin towers, not when they murdered our ambassador.

You just wanted an excuse to rant about the "one term Marxist" in the White House. OK, if you must, rant away.
 
and the one you responded to was about 911. The original question was about when we realized that there were jihadis out to get us. That realization hit when they attacked the twin towers, not when they murdered our ambassador.

You just wanted an excuse to rant about the "one term Marxist" in the White House. OK, if you must, rant away.
Every year there is a 9/11. This yer was like other years. Except in this year the one term Marxist was way too busy fundraising and attacking Mitt Romney to pay attention. Why do you apologize for him.

Islamists have been fighting the west and modernity for centuries. Still, I am glad you are finally getting it.
 
Moderator's Warning:
The topic of this thread is the fact that hundreds of Libyan citizens marched in Benghazi and took over the headquarters of the radical Islamist group tied to the recent attack.
Discuss the topic please and keep all the other off topic nonsense out of this thread. Only warning i'm giving here. It's up to you guys.
 
Okay. The heavy hand of moderation is more than I need. I am out of here.
 
You don't understand history if you think the Munch Massacre was an attack on the US, or the West in general.

Islamic terrorism is not only directed against the US but has effected nations all over the world. Israel is a fellow democracy and an ally. If you choose to separate the democracies and rationalize terrorist attacks, as many have done against all the democracies, including the US, then we are certainly playing into the hands of those behind the attacks.


Nothing about that terrorist's groups origin is religiously motivated, they are nationalistic in their goals and their violence towards Israel is motivated by issues of land. Israelis displaced many Palestinians in their post independence expansion and their violence is about returning to what they believe is their rightful home, it has nothing to do with the fact that the Israelis are Jews and most Palestinians are Muslim. In fact their Operation in Munich was named after two CHRISTIAN Palestinian villages that were wiped out during the Israeli war of independence by an Israeli militia. The Israelis actually managed to evacuate most of the population before the operation, however after the villages were destroyed they simply left thousands of people without any resources to simply wander out into the land. It was a horrible event but resources were stretched thin.


There is more history here than what you claim

http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Terrorism_Timeline_1970.Islam

That's the problem with talking about "who they are," there is no "they." Radical Islam exists in many forms and many groups who have different groups, if you try to lump a group like Black September and Al-Qaeda in the same category you'll find you can only do it when you ignore everything that makes them different.

Actually there is a "they" and trying to ignore the truth, as this White House is doing, only emboldens Islamic terrorism.

The Communist movements in Russia and China were revolutions, not coups, they had wide enough support among the people to overthrow the government. They were very popular movements at the their beginning, however of course they became quite unpopular as time went on.

Yes, but many useless idiots in the West thought Communism a good deal, and many still do. And as long as we try to rationalize irrational behavior there will be more Commiunists, Fascists, Nazis, and Islamofascists in this world. Nothing will ever change,
What are you talking about? I'd describe people like that as horrible sick individuals, whats your point?

Yes, of course they are but do you understand there is a common factor regarding these terrorist acts against women, children, and many millions of other innocents? People certainly appear frightened of speaking out against the 'excesses' of Islam.
 
I would go back even earlier. Islam is a political-religious entity. It has been at war with the west and with modernity for a very long time.

But if you want to begin with a notable, memorable event like the massacres of Israelis in Munich we could start there. But that is not where the war between Islam and the west began.

Polls show that while many Islamists would not get their hands dirty murdering the western unbeliever they do not object to the goal of such murders.

They have waged war against us. Perhaps it is time to return war for war. Slaughter for slaughter. If they kill one of us we should utterly obliterate one of their holy sites for each murdered American. When we run out of holy sites then destroy their mosques. And when we run out of mosques kill their clerics and Imams. Where possible castrate the males, cover them in pigs blood, urine and feces. Then burn their bodies.

Eventually they shall tire of waging war against us. And then there shall be peace for a time.

Ok tough guy keep up the good fight, just take off your US Army uniform for good you're a disgrace to it.
 
He, referring to the one term Marxist, flexible with our enemies, Barrack Hussein Obama, wasn't in the (oval) office when the Ambassador was murdered. He was fundraising. Or maybe heading to a fund raiser, or maybe recovering from one and going to the next.

No problem. The murder of four Americans was not much more than a bump in the road to the cold, cruel, one term Marxist.

This was a very bad post.
 
Back to the subject at hand, which was, what again? Oh, yes, the protesters in Libya who want us to know that they don't support the extremist nutters who killed our citizens, including an ambassador:

That's good news, right?

We aren't at war with Libya. The new government of Libya is not anti American. The people of Libya are not anti American. Most Libyans are not violent nutters. How is this not good news?
 
Well, it shouldn't be "news" at all.
 
Well, it shouldn't be "news" at all.

Muslims demonstrating against Muslim extremists and apologizing to the US for the actions of the lunatic fringe in their country shouldn't make the news in this country?

Why not?
 
Because it shouldn't be "news" to Americans that most Muslims are moderate. It's sad that that surprises people.
 
Because it shouldn't be "news" to Americans that most Muslims are moderate. It's sad that that surprises people.

No, it shouldn't come as a surprise.

Yet, it does surprise some people, and it disappoints others who seem to actually want a clash of civilizations sort of Armageddon.
 
Back to the subject at hand, which was, what again? Oh, yes, the protesters in Libya who want us to know that they don't support the extremist nutters who killed our citizens, including an ambassador:

That's good news, right?

We aren't at war with Libya. The new government of Libya is not anti American. The people of Libya are not anti American. Most Libyans are not violent nutters. How is this not good news?

Most French do not want to kill Americans, same with Canadians, Dutch, Australians, Japanese, Thais and Argentinians. Isn't that good news???

What should be of concern are the number people who do want to kill you. been thinking of that much?

Do you now know that the government in the Middle East are saying one thing there and another thing to the American people, just as Arafat used to do?.

The Libyan leader has said this was a terrorist attack which killed the embassy workers while the US President said in a speech at the UN said the cause was still a youtube video.

Those Americas who are not ashamed and embarrassed at this display simply do not have a clkue as to what 's going on in the world or where there country is heading.

Americans seem to want to believe anything but the truth.
 
Most French do not want to kill Americans, same with Canadians, Dutch, Australians, Japanese, Thais and Argentinians. Isn't that good news???

What should be of concern are the number people who do want to kill you. been thinking of that much?

Do you now know that the government in the Middle East are saying one thing there and another thing to the American people, just as Arafat used to do?.

The Libyan leader has said this was a terrorist attack which killed the embassy workers while the US President said in a speech at the UN said the cause was still a youtube video.

Those Americas who are not ashamed and embarrassed at this display simply do not have a clkue as to what 's going on in the world or where there country is heading.

Americans seem to want to believe anything but the truth.

The truth is that there was a terrorist attack on our embassy, carried out by Al Qaeda.
Our enemy is Al Qaeda.
We've scored some real blows against Al Qaeda, our real enemy.
The Middle East is not our enemy, Islam is not our enemy, and Libya is not our enemy.

That is the truth.
 
The truth is that there was a terrorist attack on our embassy, carried out by Al Qaeda.
Our enemy is Al Qaeda.
We've scored some real blows against Al Qaeda, our real enemy.
The Middle East is not our enemy, Islam is not our enemy, and Libya is not our enemy.

That is the truth.

In fact Al Qaeda has dealt some real blows against the United States and you're reminded of that every time you pass through an airport, or when a president lies to his people that it was all about a movie trailer.

Who do you think is winning this war? The United States?

The US is trillions in debt, addicted to welfare and food stamps, turns its back on friends, come up short on energy, and naively hopes to defeat an enemy that thinks over the much long term while the Americans actually announce the dates they will retreat.

Getting all misty-eyed because some Libyans may like you is nada and this pathetic refrain that not all Muslims are terrorists is the usual fall back position that you cling to whenever Americans are attacked and murdered. You can take solace in that but little more.
 
The US is trillions in debt, addicted to welfare and food stamps, turns its back on friends, come up short on energy,

The bad guys got pretty much nothin' (except Iran). What does the Libyan AlQ really have?
 
The truth is that there was a terrorist attack on our embassy, carried out by Al Qaeda.
Our enemy is Al Qaeda.
We've scored some real blows against Al Qaeda, our real enemy.
The Middle East is not our enemy, Islam is not our enemy, and Libya is not our enemy.

That is the truth.

That's like saying that during WW2 our only enemy was the Waffen SS.

Al Qaeda is only one of the instruments being used to further the Islamist agenda, and not only are there many other organizations using violence towards the same goal, there are countless millions who support the goal. We may not be at war with all of Islam, but we are certainly at war with those who seek to destroy our way of life. The problem is magnitudes greater than what you claim.
 
That's like saying that during WW2 our only enemy was the Waffen SS.

Al Qaeda is only one of the instruments being used to further the Islamist agenda, and not only are there many other organizations using violence towards the same goal, there are countless millions who support the goal. We may not be at war with all of Islam, but we are certainly at war with those who seek to destroy our way of life. The problem is magnitudes greater than what you claim.

it's only greater due to our reaction to it.

We're dealing with a small group of radicals whose importance has been blown way our of proportion by the way we've chosen to deal with that group of radicals.
 
it's only greater due to our reaction to it.

We're dealing with a small group of radicals whose importance has been blown way our of proportion by the way we've chosen to deal with that group of radicals.

Quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I would suggest you learn a little bit aboutt he subject matter so as to be able to understand more than you do.
 
Quite frankly, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I would suggest you learn a little bit aboutt he subject matter so as to be able to understand more than you do.

Brilliant reparte, just brilliant.
 
it's only greater due to our reaction to it.

We're dealing with a small group of radicals whose importance has been blown way our of proportion by the way we've chosen to deal with that group of radicals.


Well, you didn't like when Bush went in like a bull in a china shop with a military footprint, and now Obama has gone in with a criminal aspect approach to it, and drone killing, and you still don't like it.....What is it that you would do....?
 
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