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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Perhaps that is the problem. Islam, pushed hard by the Islamofascists, have been at war with us for at least 50 years.

    When do you think we will catch on?
    Wake up and see the world for what it is, the world isn't so simple as to simply say an entire religion is at war with the United States. Hell Islam as a whole isn't even controlled by a single person, group, set of beliefs, etc. Are you telling me that the Muslim family living in my neighborhood is at war with this country? Perhaps the members of a Muslim community in China or Morocco?

    And the last 50 years? What exactly happened in the 60s that you would consider to be the start of it all?

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    A gutsy thing for them to do. They are putting themselves at great risk.
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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Wake up and see the world for what it is, the world isn't so simple as to simply say an entire religion is at war with the United States. Hell Islam as a whole isn't even controlled by a single person, group, set of beliefs, etc. Are you telling me that the Muslim family living in my neighborhood is at war with this country? Perhaps the members of a Muslim community in China or Morocco?

    And the last 50 years? What exactly happened in the 60s that you would consider to be the start of it all?
    The entire Muslim world is not at war with the West and this has been stated ad nauseum by folks who seem to thing they are announcing this insight for the first time, that others haven't yet recognized this obvious point. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Fascists were Italian. I think we all know that.

    But the people who wanted no part of these ideologies, or war, came under the control of those who gained power and did want their particular ideology foisted on others. No one wanted to live under a Communist regime but that didn't prevent those in more powerful positions from enforcing Communism on them, just as we see many Islamic leaders forcing their brand of Islam on people who would ordinarily just want to get along with their lives, probably like your neighbors.

    The fact is that radical Islam is out there and something must be done to control it.

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    A gutsy thing for them to do. They are putting themselves at great risk.
    Certainly more gutsy than those Americans who want to arrest the film maker in California or who would scrap their Constitution. They might as well join the Islamofascists now.

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Glad to hear that this happened.
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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The entire Muslim world is not at war with the West and this has been stated ad nauseum by folks who seem to thing they are announcing this insight for the first time, that others haven't yet recognized this obvious point. Not all Germans were Nazis, not all Fascists were Italian. I think we all know that.

    But the people who wanted no part of these ideologies, or war, came under the control of those who gained power and did want their particular ideology foisted on others. No one wanted to live under a Communist regime but that didn't prevent those in more powerful positions from enforcing Communism on them, just as we see many Islamic leaders forcing their brand of Islam on people who would ordinarily just want to get along with their lives, probably like your neighbors.

    The fact is that radical Islam is out there and something must be done to control it.
    You said Islam has been at war with us for 50 years, I'm just trying to figure out who that means exactly. If not every Muslim then who? Just the radicial ones? Not even all the radical ones are violent against the United States. And if you mean just the radical Muslims, why not say that instead of saying Islam? You also didn't answer my question about your 50 year timeline, what happened in the 60s that started this war with Islam?

    You also underestimated the appeal of some of these schools of thought, communism came to Russia and China for example because it was extremely popular. Of course they had to kill a lot of people along the way, but the majority of their followers came willingly. A leader whether he's religious or whatever else has to have some honest true appeal to some people otherwise he'll be in no position to force those who don't join willingly.

    I agree radical Islam is something to be stopped, but even that term isn't specific enough, who are we talking about exactly?

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You said Islam has been at war with us for 50 years,
    That wasn't me as i'd put it it at 40 years, since the Munich Olympics and the plane hijackings. Since then the tactics have changed but the goals remain similar.
    I'm just trying to figure out who that means exactly. If not every Muslim then who? Just the radicial ones? Not even all the radical ones are violent against the United States. And if you mean just the radical Muslims, why not say that instead of saying Islam? You also didn't answer my question about your 50 year timeline, what happened in the 60s that started this war with Islam?
    In fact we don't know who these Muslims are. That should be clear after 40 years. if we did know who they are it would make things a lot easier, wouldn't it? What we do know that there is terrorism emanating from the Islamic community but often have no idea which Muslims these might be as they don't often announce their intentions. We can see them holding up signs throughout the western world announcing their hate, or acting it out, and then going home to their families and jobs. Sometimes they rape, murder and destroy when they get upset. I think we're all familiar with the pattern by now.
    You also underestimated the appeal of some of these schools of thought, communism came to Russia and China for example because it was extremely popular.
    Huh?Where did you get that idea?? People have always been trying to escape from Communist countries and more then 100,000,000 people have died at the hands of communists. Where do you get your information???

    Of course they had to kill a lot of people along the way, but the majority of their followers came willingly.
    Incredible!
    A leader whether he's religious or whatever else has to have some honest true appeal to some people otherwise he'll be in no position to force those who don't join willingly.
    Of course there have been many Hitlers throughout history, and Hitler wannabes. This is why we have to stand up against them rather than appease them, a la Neville Chamberlain, H. Clinton, and B. Obama.
    I agree radical Islam is something to be stopped, but even that term isn't specific enough, who are we talking about exactly?
    What more information do you require? How would you describe the people who are murdering innocents going about their business, children on their way to school, children in kindergarten, housewives with their children, people waiting in bus stops or teenagers sitting in a restaurant, shooting a nun in the back, slitting the throats of innocent workers, raping women, stoning women, performing clitorectomies on women, commandeering planes into buildings, or having their own children and handicapped children used as suicide bombers. The list could go on indefinitely but maybe you get the idea.

    The connection between all these horrors is Islam. What would you call these people? There are a great many adjectives which could be used.

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That wasn't me as i'd put it it at 40 years, since the Munich Olympics and the plane hijackings. Since then the tactics have changed but the goals remain similar.
    You don't understand history if you think the Munch Massacre was an attack on the US, or the West in general. Munich was an attack by a terrorist group by the name of Black September, named after the day in September when the King of Jordan declared martial Law in Jordan over the Palestinian areas of the country due to a revolt which itself was caused by mistreatment of the Palestinians by the Arabs. In 1967 Israel dominated in the the 6 day war which, among other things, gave Israel total control of the West Bank which has a large Palestinian population. Across the border from the West Bank is Jordan where many refugees from that conflict fled, and already had a large Palestinian population, by 1970 they had over strained the infrastructure and pressed against the native Jordanians who didn't like all these foreigners around who attempted to implement control of movement on the Palestinians, keep them in camps, etc. This resulted in a Palestinian revolt and crack down by Jordan, which led to a bloodbath because the Palestinians were caught between Israel and Jordan, both hostile to them.

    Nothing about that terrorist's groups origin is religiously motivated, they are nationalistic in their goals and their violence towards Israel is motivated by issues of land. Israelis displaced many Palestinians in their post independence expansion and their violence is about returning to what they believe is their rightful home, it has nothing to do with the fact that the Israelis are Jews and most Palestinians are Muslim. In fact their Operation in Munich was named after two CHRISTIAN Palestinian villages that were wiped out during the Israeli war of independence by an Israeli militia. The Israelis actually managed to evacuate most of the population before the operation, however after the villages were destroyed they simply left thousands of people without any resources to simply wander out into the land. It was a horrible event but resources were stretched thin.

    In fact we don't know who these Muslims are. That should be clear after 40 years. if we did know who they are it would make things a lot easier, wouldn't it? What we do know that there is terrorism emanating from the Islamic community but often have no idea which Muslims these might be as they don't often announce their intentions. We can see them holding up signs throughout the western world announcing their hate, or acting it out, and then going home to their families and jobs. Sometimes they rape, murder and destroy when they get upset. I think we're all familiar with the pattern by now.
    That's the problem with talking about "who they are," there is no "they." Radical Islam exists in many forms and many groups who have different groups, if you try to lump a group like Black September and Al-Qaeda in the same category you'll find you can only do it when you ignore everything that makes them different.

    Huh?Where did you get that idea?? People have always been trying to escape from Communist countries and more then 100,000,000 people have died at the hands of communists. Where do you get your information???
    The Communist movements in Russia and China were revolutions, not coups, they had wide enough support among the people to overthrow the government. They were very popular movements at the their beginning, however of course they became quite unpopular as time went on.

    What more information do you require? How would you describe the people who are murdering innocents going about their business, children on their way to school, children in kindergarten, housewives with their children, people waiting in bus stops or teenagers sitting in a restaurant, shooting a nun in the back, slitting the throats of innocent workers, raping women, stoning women, performing clitorectomies on women, commandeering planes into buildings, or having their own children and handicapped children used as suicide bombers. The list could go on indefinitely but maybe you get the idea.

    The connection between all these horrors is Islam. What would you call these people? There are a great many adjectives which could be used.
    What are you talking about? I'd describe people like that as horrible sick individuals, whats your point?

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    We caught on that the "Islamofascists", or extremist jihadists, were at war with us about 9/11/01. Had we caught on sooner, we might have been able to prevent that attack.
    True. So why did the Obama Administration suck up to Islamists and beat down Israel?

    Why did the one term Marxist allow an ambassador and three others be murdered by Islamists?

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    re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    True. So why did the Obama Administration suck up to Islamists and beat down Israel?

    Why did the one term Marxist allow an ambassador and three others be murdered by Islamists?
    I don't know. I didn't even know he was in office when the attacks occurred.
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