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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Sure, out of context. Aren't you guy's the ones so into context?



    Wow, if your Lord, and Savior Obama is so great, then why'd it take him almost his entire first term?



    Yet, you continually are bringing it in here to deflect from your boy's failure as a President....Weak.....
    out of context? Here's the speech, in context:

    Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube

    "My boy"? I've made it pretty clear that I view Obama as Bush III. Check my avatar.

    But, I thought we were discussing whether or not Bush was the one who made it possible to take out OBL? I haven't seen you make much of a case for that yet, just unsupported opinions.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    out of context? Here's the speech, in context:

    Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden (short version) - YouTube
    Ok, so what is so unclear about that? As the President, the CIC with not one, but two different countries that troops were committed to, sounds like Bush had delegated that small part of the mission to the CIA. Like any good CIC would do. Does that mean that America stopped looking for OBL? No. Does that mean that OBL wasn't a high priority to capture of kill? No. We as a country did continue to capture AQ members, and exploit their intel, right up to the day that the combined intel from the CIA, in the Bush, and Obama administrations led to the whereabouts of OBL, and he was killed. I think you do yourself, and history, a great dis service by failing to acknowledge the work of both Presidents in this endeavor.

    "My boy"?
    Your what? I suggest you try as hard as you can to leave the liberal tactics of baiting aside in our conversation.

    I've made it pretty clear that I view Obama as Bush III. Check my avatar.
    In some respects you are right about that, in the area of leaving much of the Bush doctrine in place in the WoT, except for one important nuance. And that is we no longer capture, or fully engage our enemy. That has led to less intel, less success, and more troops deaths in the Afghan theater.

    But, I thought we were discussing whether or not Bush was the one who made it possible to take out OBL? I haven't seen you make much of a case for that yet, just unsupported opinions.
    I gave you the words of the head of the CIA unit in charge of interrogating captured AQ during the Bush Presidency. Like I said, I think he know slightly more about it than you do...Sorry.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so what is so unclear about that? As the President, the CIC with not one, but two different countries that troops were committed to, sounds like Bush had delegated that small part of the mission to the CIA. Like any good CIC would do. Does that mean that America stopped looking for OBL? No. Does that mean that OBL wasn't a high priority to capture of kill? No. We as a country did continue to capture AQ members, and exploit their intel, right up to the day that the combined intel from the CIA, in the Bush, and Obama administrations led to the whereabouts of OBL, and he was killed. I think you do yourself, and history, a great dis service by failing to acknowledge the work of both Presidents in this endeavor.
    If that's so, and if the whereabouts of Bin Laden were known during the Bush Administration, then it shouldn't have taken three years to take him out.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Your what? I suggest you try as hard as you can to leave the liberal tactics of baiting aside in our conversation.
    You're the one who referred to Obama as "my boy."





    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In some respects you are right about that, in the area of leaving much of the Bush doctrine in place in the WoT, except for one important nuance. And that is we no longer capture, or fully engage our enemy. That has led to less intel, less success, and more troops deaths in the Afghan theater.
    Did we ever fully engage our enemy? The so called "war on terror" has been a fiasco since Rumsfeld said it would be over in six months or less. What we wound up with was a decade plus military intervention and nation building attempt.

    We should not go to war unless the nation is fully behind it, and unless there is no alternative. The last time that happened was in 1941.

    And then, when we do go to war, it has to be a total commitment and a total national effort.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I gave you the words of the head of the CIA unit in charge of interrogating captured AQ during the Bush Presidency. Like I said, I think he know slightly more about it than you do...Sorry.
    He should have, of course, but then, this is the same CIA who said that Saddam Hussain was building a nuke.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If that's so, and if the whereabouts of Bin Laden were known during the Bush Administration, then it shouldn't have taken three years to take him out.
    Who said that? Please show me where I said that Bush knew where OBL was....

    You're the one who referred to Obama as "my boy."
    My bad....Just got home from work...

    Did we ever fully engage our enemy? The so called "war on terror" has been a fiasco since Rumsfeld said it would be over in six months or less. What we wound up with was a decade plus military intervention and nation building attempt.

    We should not go to war unless the nation is fully behind it, and unless there is no alternative. The last time that happened was in 1941.

    And then, when we do go to war, it has to be a total commitment and a total national effort.
    My my...I can almost hear the theme music for Patton playing in the background as I read this Ditto...Tell me sir, if that is the case, then what would have been the course for you on 9/12/01?

    He should have, of course, but then, this is the same CIA who said that Saddam Hussain was building a nuke.
    Well, I can't help you then...You seem to have such dislike for Bush that it clouds your better judgement....Maybe over time that will subside, and you can approach it more clearly.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who said that? Please show me where I said that Bush knew where OBL was....
    How else are we to interpret statements like:

    Without intel during the Bush years Obama would not only be appeasing the ME, but OBL would still be alive as well.
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    My bad....Just got home from work...
    That's OK. Hope your day went well.



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    My my...I can almost hear the theme music for Patton playing in the background as I read this Ditto...Tell me sir, if that is the case, then what would have been the course for you on 9/12/01?
    Oh, I've posted that one many times. I'd have gone in to Afganistan and Pakistan with a multi national force of elite soldiers, taken out Bin Laden and his cockroaches, and then gone home. Had they been captured, rather than killed, I'd have built a dungeon in the cellar of the newly rebuild WTC to keep them in.



    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I can't help you then...You seem to have such dislike for Bush that it clouds your better judgement....Maybe over time that will subside, and you can approach it more clearly.
    Oh, that one wasn't Bush's fault. That one was faulty intelligence.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How else are we to interpret statements like:

    Instead of trying to interpret what you think they say, just read the statement for what it does say.

    That's OK. Hope your day went well.
    Oh yeah...Just a short drive back to the terminal, then home for a round of lawn mowing, and pool vacuuming....Gotta love it.

    Oh, I've posted that one many times. I'd have gone in to Afganistan and Pakistan with a multi national force of elite soldiers, taken out Bin Laden and his cockroaches, and then gone home. Had they been captured, rather than killed, I'd have built a dungeon in the cellar of the newly rebuild WTC to keep them in.
    We did go into Afghanistan, and supposedly are working with Pakistan, although I don't see what I would describe as cooperation out of the Pakistanis....Problem is, that once you put boots on the ground of a nuclear nation where the government may pay at least lip service to working with us, the population hates our guts, and you would be in a far worse war at this point I think.

    Oh, that one wasn't Bush's fault. That one was faulty intelligence.
    On that at least we have agreement.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Instead of trying to interpret what you think they say, just read the statement for what it does say.
    The statement says: "Without intel during the Bush years Obama would not only be appeasing the ME, but OBL would still be alive as well."

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh yeah...Just a short drive back to the terminal, then home for a round of lawn mowing, and pool vacuuming....Gotta love it.
    That doesn't sound too bad.
    Drivers who run those big rigs for thousands of miles have a difficult job. You have to respect their skill, though. They have fewer accidents than drivers of autos and pickups on average.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    We did go into Afghanistan, and supposedly are working with Pakistan, although I don't see what I would describe as cooperation out of the Pakistanis....Problem is, that once you put boots on the ground of a nuclear nation where the government may pay at least lip service to working with us, the population hates our guts, and you would be in a far worse war at this point I think.
    It was the get Bin Laden and his cockroaches and leave part that we missed.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The statement says: "Without intel during the Bush years Obama would not only be appeasing the ME, but OBL would still be alive as well."
    yep...So you think that Obama's administration found OBL all on their own with no intel gathered, or policy set up by Bush? Well, let me use your standard then Ditto, Show me.

    That doesn't sound too bad.
    Nope, I have it pretty good these days....I guess after 20 years behind the wheel you tend to move up in the world....heh, heh....

    Drivers who run those big rigs for thousands of miles have a difficult job. You have to respect their skill, though. They have fewer accidents than drivers of autos and pickups on average.
    Thank you. I have like I said 20 years, over 3 million safe miles driven with no accidents {Knock on wood}, and only ever got one ticket in my driving career for a speed trap I didn't catch....That was 15 years ago....

    It was the get Bin Laden and his cockroaches and leave part that we missed.
    But, but, would that have solved the problem?
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    yep...So you think that Obama's administration found OBL all on their own with no intel gathered, or policy set up by Bush? Well, let me use your standard then Ditto, Show me.



    Nope, I have it pretty good these days....I guess after 20 years behind the wheel you tend to move up in the world....heh, heh....



    Thank you. I have like I said 20 years, over 3 million safe miles driven with no accidents {Knock on wood}, and only ever got one ticket in my driving career for a speed trap I didn't catch....That was 15 years ago....



    But, but, would that have solved the problem?
    It may not have solved the problem, but then, what we actually did didn't solve the problem either and wound up costing a ton of money and thousands of lives, not to mention providing a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda.
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    Re: Decrying attack, protesters overtake Islamist group's HQ in Benghazi [W:57]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It may not have solved the problem, but then, what we actually did didn't solve the problem either and wound up costing a ton of money and thousands of lives, not to mention providing a recruiting tool for Al Qaeda.

    Could've, Should've, Would've....But didn't....Crying over spilled milk is never productive...I am actually more interested in your response to this part...

    So you think that Obama's administration found OBL all on their own with no intel gathered, or policy set up by Bush? Well, let me use your standard then Ditto, Show me.
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