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    Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    Sam Mullet, guilty of hate crimes in Amish beard-cutting attacks; 15 others guilty of related crimes | cleveland.com

    I've been following the trial fairly closely, because it's an interesting peek into a rather insular community, and also because I was curious about the "hate crimes" charges.

    I started out thinking this was preposterous and ended up thinking this might just be the best use of "hate crimes" laws I've ever seen.

    Anyone else watching this case? Whaca think?

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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    Not a big fan of hate crime laws. Assault, kidnapping and other laws already on the book should have been sufficient. Sounds like an Amish gang fight.
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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    been following the case over the last few months! Doesnt come as much as a suprise to be honest given the fact they are a radical relgious group!
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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    I don't like what I read, because the prosecution went on to ridicule the religion overall, invoking religious prejudices against them. For example, encouraging men to sleep in a chicken coop for punishment. How was that possibly related to the case and was only to invoke hatred against the defendant.

    I do NOT approve of hate crimes. The range of punishment for assault, kidnapping, terrorist threats etc would have been sufficient. Instead, it was a case in which the prosector went on to try to get the jury to convict the religion, which it essentially did.

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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    I'm confused as to how this could be classified as a "hate" crime when both the alleged perpetrator and the victims belong to the same religion? In the article it states that the perp is an Amish bishop.

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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    Does it bother anyone that in the article it states that this man could serve 10 years or more for cutting hair and beards?

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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Sam Mullet, guilty of hate crimes in Amish beard-cutting attacks; 15 others guilty of related crimes | cleveland.com

    I've been following the trial fairly closely, because it's an interesting peek into a rather insular community, and also because I was curious about the "hate crimes" charges.

    I started out thinking this was preposterous and ended up thinking this might just be the best use of "hate crimes" laws I've ever seen.

    Anyone else watching this case? Whaca think?
    Interesting for sure, but to me, the hate crime law is ridiculous. That being said, I personally don't see cutting off hair and beards as "disfiguring", because hair and beards grow back. Now, if they had cut faces or cut off hands, it would be different.
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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    It's kind of funny that his name is Sam "Mullet." I wonder if he cut their hair like a mullet?

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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    I don't usually like hate crime laws myself. I think this case is an example of when they might serve a purpose because (to my knowledge) there was no other crime that could be charged, except misdemeanor assault. Given the deep meaning the victims' attached to their beards and hair, that didn't seem like a serious enough charge.

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    Re: Amish Beard-cutting Attacks Verdicts: Guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    I don't usually like hate crime laws myself. I think this case is an example of when they might serve a purpose because (to my knowledge) there was no other crime that could be charged, except misdemeanor assault. Given the deep meaning the victims' attached to their beards and hair, that didn't seem like a serious enough charge.
    Ten years or more sounds pretty harsh though.

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