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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Which answers your question...
    No, it doesn't because even the Obama Administration has backed off that silliness now.


    My initial response applies moreso to those riotous acts that took place "after" the riots in Ciaro and Benghazi. As to the broader point I belileve you are trying to make, towit, "What prompts these Muslim extremist to riot against anti-American sentiments?," the answer is rather diverse. However, we simplify it by merely saying that "they (Islamists...Muslims...or put more accurately Muslim extremist) hate America!" when the truth is they really hate American political influence in their social-political affairs. The sooner we as a nation recognizes this as the basis for changing the hearts and minds of Islamist, if possible, the sooner we'll likely be able to force their anger more inward toward their "democratically elected government, choosen by their people," not our government, (i.e., so-called puppet regimes).
    You are not quoting me accurately. The fact is that it is not only Americans who are being threatened and/or murdered. It is not just Americans lives which have been lost or whose property has been destroyed.
    True. However, I brought up those issues because they speak to the broader point:
    This habit of 'speaking to the broader point' only serves to obfuscate the issue.

    Unless you educate people about the issues at hand, those who take such drastic opposing views will likely never change their perspective or positions on such issues. The alternative is to allow time along with social changes to heal wounds and bridge divides.
    Who do you feel needs the educating?

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Grant,

    The White House still believes that the anti-Islam video played a role in the recent terrorist attacks. There may be speculation as to how coordinated the attacks were between protesters and terrorist groups, but people from within the intellegence community, State Dept. and the Obama Administration (White House) still consider the video a piece of the puzzle where the recent violence is concerned.

    As to clouded judgements (i.e., "obfuscate the issue"), things remain muddled only if people refused to take off their partisan blinders. In this case, if people refuse to accept the fact that spreading democracy in Muslim countries particularly where strongly held anti-American views become the lynch-pin for violence is difficult as long as certain factions still view their newly elected governments as "puppet regimes" put in power by the U.S. government, then there will be rough patches along the way for said countries to establish democratized governments where their leaderes lead according to the laws of their land and the will of their people.

    That's what we in America need to be educated on - that spreading democracy is hard work and doesn't come easy. It's taken us 235 years to get to where we are today. Do you really think such will happen in Egypt, Libya, Iraq and eventually Afghanistan in just a few months or even a year?
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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

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    Grant,

    The White House still believes that the anti-Islam video played a role in the recent terrorist attacks.
    Then that shouldn't encourage any confidence in the White House, though in fact different members of the administration are offering different opinions.

    There may be speculation as to how coordinated the attacks were between protesters and terrorist groups, but people from within the intellegence community, State Dept. and the Obama Administration (White House) still consider the video a piece of the puzzle where the recent violence is concerned.
    If they sincerely believe that, which I doubt, then the west democracies face a very difficult future.
    As to clouded judgements (i.e., "obfuscate the issue"), things remain muddled only if people refused to take off their partisan blinders. In this case, if people refuse to accept the fact that spreading democracy in Muslim countries particularly where strongly held anti-American views become the lynch-pin for violence is difficult as long as certain factions still view their newly elected governments as "puppet regimes" put in power by the U.S. government, then there will be rough patches along the way for said countries to establish democratized governments where their leaderes lead according to the laws of their land and the will of their people.
    Radical Islamic leaders do not want democracy. This is about religion, not democracy.
    That's what we in America need to be educated on - that spreading democracy is hard work and doesn't come easy. It's taken us 235 years to get to where we are today. Do you really think such will happen in Egypt, Libya, Iraq and eventually Afghanistan in just a few months or even a year?
    Even Americans are no longer interested in democracy. They have left a void in Iraq and have announced when they are leaving Afghanistan.

    At one time, as in the war on Communism, American policy remained somewhat consistent. Now its leadership, and the people themselves, have no idea what they want or where they are going. They don't even know what to call the problem with radical Islam. The country is adrift, the American people are demoralized and they are turning on each other and even their own Constitution.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Interesting but largely irrelevant in the grand schem of things. What is important is who is winning the swing states in this election. And polls in those states show Obama still has a lead in most of them. Essentially, Romney has to win almost every swing state to win the election. Could he do it? Sure. But you'd rather be the other guy.

    And Rasmussen is not the poll I'd bank on if I only had one.
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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Obama should get serious and go after the leaders of al-Qaida.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Interesting but largely irrelevant in the grand schem of things.
    My poll is better than yours.

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