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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But only after they saw the trailer, huh?, and then they became so pissed off they began killing people at random, including other Muslims.
    That's what violent extemist acts produce - violence without regard of who gets caught in the crossfire.

    That is what Bush referred to as "The soft bigotry of lowered expectations", though that bigotry isn't always so soft. It seems you really don't expect much from Muslims.
    I expect nothing more from Muslim extremist than I do of racist or man chauvanist. Each takes pre-conceived notions and them into hateful rhetoric to promote their cause. It's only after such people have been re-educated or die-off do things begin to change.

    You should remember that Muslims in Libya helped recover the bodies of our fallen Americans and are now fighting back against anti-American rebels and anti-American terror groups.

    As for my expectation of Muslims, I don't spend a whole lot of time worrying about what members of another religious group or society does or how they live their lives thousands of miles across the oceans. I have plenty to keep me busy right here in my own backyard. My hope is that someday the duly elected leaders of these countries come to realize that the fate of their people rest in personal empowerment and NOT what outside influences direct their lives based on the policies of another country. Muslims with anti-American views need to come to the realization that America, though a powerful and influencial nation, doesn't hold their future in their hands. THEY DO! - or rather the nation's citizens. As such, they have to choose between a live of violence and a life or relative peace where their voices are heard not from terrorist acts broadcast around the world but rather by their demans of their governments to lead their people and provide opportunities for them to propser, grow and expand.

    It's not until the "quite citizens" stand up and speak in one loud voice against the violence of Mulsim extremism and the corruption of governments will Muslim nations begin to move away from tyranny and into prosperity and peace.
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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Maybe we don't enjoy helping terrorists as much as you. I believe the ruse that Alqeada was not involved was an attempt to fool the attackers into believing they are not being pursued. You don't like that because it may have made catching them easier. Politics make strange bedfellows.
    One problem with your attempt at spinning this, obama himself is STILL talking like it wasn't a terrorist attack even after everyone else in the white house is finally admitting it was. The man is truly delusional and reminds me more of Jimmy carter every day, he lives in his own little make believe world where everything he touches turns to gold.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The Obama Administration mentions the anti-Islam film because according to preliminary evidence many of the anti-American protests were initiated not because of a coordinate attack planned by Muslim extremist but rather were excalated due to the mass circulation of the anti-Islam film via social networking. As I stated in my previous post, it is quite possible that there was a blending of anti-American protest and Muslim extremist using the film as a springboard to piggy backing off one another to promote violence. Sounds far-fetched, but based on what little evidence that has been made public that seems to be the case here.
    There are plenty of "anti Muslim" clips on Youtube and other web sites that could enrage Muslims but they just happened to pick the one made by that poor bugger in California. There have been riots over cartoons, beauty contests, ice cream swirls, banking logos, and on and on. The main think for Islamists is to riot, which they will then blame on the west and, as we have seen, western leaders will be quick to accept responsibility and attack whoever the Islamists blame.

    The next riot will happen in the new year and they will blame whoever they want for it and we will respond quickly to blame whoever they pick. That's been the pattern for over a decade and there is no indication that will change.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    One problem with your attempt at spinning this, obama himself is STILL talking like it wasn't a terrorist attack even after everyone else in the white house is finally admitting it was. The man is truly delusional and reminds me more of Jimmy carter every day, he lives in his own little make believe world where everything he touches turns to gold.
    BHO is the only western leader, or any leader for that matter, who can make people nostalgic for Jimmy Carter.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

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    That's what violent extemist acts produce - violence without regard of who gets caught in the crossfire.
    Which "violent extemist act" produced the Islamist murders and riots?


    I expect nothing more from Muslim extremist than I do of racist or man chauvanist.
    Wonderful. But racists and male chauvinists are not the topic of conversation.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I had made a distinction in my previous posts and you responded with "this is NOT the case in Muslim lands".....now you wish to make my position your position.....not happening here.
    My position has been consistent.. Perhaps I misunderstood you.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why Americans would vote for this obvious loser remains a mystery but perhaps, over the past few years, they have come to identify more with losers than winners. Winners make them nervous, as does self reliance and responsibility. That's the only way to explain a vote for Barrack Obama.


    Well, I can think of a few other reasons. But then I'm not a far right wing zealot, who would rather elect a rich boy with absolutely no ideas, no convictions, no real core principles other than makingf as much money as he can, and no understanding of how the vast majority of americans live, solely because he isn't Barack Obama.
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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Well, I can think of a few other reasons. But then I'm not a far right wing zealot, who would rather elect a rich boy with absolutely no ideas, no convictions, no real core principles other than makingf as much money as he can, and no understanding of how the vast majority of americans live, solely because he isn't Barack Obama.
    How can you be a "far right wing zealot" with no convictions or ideas?

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post

    Tied for the first time.

    The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows President Obama and Mitt Romney each attracting support from 46% of voters nationwide.
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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    That's what violent extemist acts produce - violence without regard of who gets caught in the crossfire.
    Let's remember what I was responding to specifically:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant
    But only after they saw the trailer, huh?, and then they became so pissed off they began killing people at random, including other Muslims.
    Which answers your question...

    Which "violent extemist act" produced the Islamist murders and riots?
    My initial response applies moreso to those riotous acts that took place "after" the riots in Ciaro and Benghazi. As to the broader point I belileve you are trying to make, towit, "What prompts these Muslim extremist to riot against anti-American sentiments?," the answer is rather diverse. However, we simplify it by merely saying that "they (Islamists...Muslims...or put more accurately Muslim extremist) hate America!" when the truth is they really hate American political influence in their social-political affairs. The sooner we as a nation recognizes this as the basis for changing the hearts and minds of Islamist, if possible, the sooner we'll likely be able to force their anger more inward toward their "democratically elected government, choosen by their people," not our government, (i.e., so-called puppet regimes).

    That's the part of spreading democracy that most people really don't seem to grasp. Case and point:

    Thread: Egypt's president wants more independence from US

    On the eve of his first visit to the United States as Egypt's president, Islamist Mohammed Morsi said he will demonstrate more independence from the U.S. in decision-making than his predecessor Hosni Mubarak and told Washington not to expect Egypt to live by its rules.

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    Morsi criticized U.S. dealings with the Arab world, saying it is not possible to judge Egyptian behavior and decision-making by American cultural standards. He said Washington earned ill will in the region in the past by backing dictators and taking "a very clear" biased approach against the Palestinians and for Israel.

    Successive American administrations essentially purchased with American taxpayer money the dislike, if not the hatred, of the peoples of the region," he told the paper in the interview published late Saturday, drawing a clear distinction between the American government and the American people. Those administrations "have taken a very clear biased approach against something that (has) very strong emotional ties to the people of the region that is the issue of Palestine."

    He stressed that unlike his predecessor, Mubarak, he will behave "according to the Egyptian people's choice and will, nothing else."
    Source: YahooNews.com, http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-preside...142847003.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Wonderful. But racists and male chauvinists are not the topic of conversation.
    True. However, I brought up those issues because they speak to the broader point: Unless you educate people about the issues at hand, those who take such drastic opposing views will likely never change their perspective or positions on such issues. The alternative is to allow time along with social changes to heal wounds and bridge divides.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-23-12 at 03:29 PM.

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