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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It's US liberal foreign policy, lies from the White House, and those who support it stinking up the place. I'm surprised you can smell it.





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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    The protestors didn't arrive in pick up trucks with RPGs..

    Even Amb Stevens knew there were AQ friendly militia in Derna, Marsa Brega and Benghazi.. Obama said as much.. The video just made it worse and gave cover to the terrorists.
    What the WSJ article makes clear is although one Libyan militia group, Ansar al Sharia, "held a series of conversations Tuesday (Sept 11) with al Qaeda extremists about the assault that day on the (Benghazi) consulate...U.S.officials said it wasn't known whether the leadership of either group (Ansar al Sharia or Al Qaeda) directed the militants executing the attack, or whether members may have acted on their own accord."

    Now, according to an article from theHill.com, "Senate GOP furious newspaper got better briefing on Libya," militants gained access to the U.S. compound after 9:35 pm on Sept. 11, American security forces attempted to retake it at 10:45 pm and American and Libyan forces regained control of the main compound around 11:20 pm, before evacuating. You can even find a timeline of events at NYTimes.com.

    Was this a planned attack as in a large-scale terrorist event like 9/11? Maybe...given the number of terrorist attacks that took place throughout the Muslim World at various U.S. Embassies and Consulates. However, we must be careful not to jump to conclusions. Remember: The WSJ article indicates that the two factions held communications one day - Tuesday - hours prior to the attacks in Libya and Egypt. With today's widespread access to social media, it's very possible that attacks in other parts of the world were merely copy-cats - people with anti-American views rallying against what this anti-Islamic/anti-Muhhamed video depicted taking their cue from others who spread anti-American sentiments over the Web. It's not to hard to believe that one or two riotious acts spread into other acts of violence. Think it impossible? Consider how quickly such public protest displays quickly caught steam here in the U.S., i.e, the Tea Party Movement and the Occupy Movement.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The obama media is desperately trying to not report this act of terrorism because it shows obama's foreign policy is a disaster and he got these Americans killed with his naive opinion that terrorism was over, the Muslims love him and would never do this. The lack of security was criminal negligence.
    I wouldn't go that far. For starters, I've long said what better way to try to combat anti-American sentiments throughout the Muslim world than to have a President who understands the basic tenants of Islam and can use its religions belief structure against those who would do evil, not good? It seems far fetched, but isn't it better than following a path of appeasement? To that, I wouldn't dare say that President Obama went on a Middle-Eastern "apology tour". For most of the countries he visited and said, "Sorry, our bad," were in Europe and Central Asia. Why not apologies to your allies, not your enemies? I get that those on the Right have used his Cairo speech as "evidence" of appeasement to Muslims, but those who take that view either haven't read the speech (or listen to it for that matter; video link here) or failed to comprehend the broader context of it.

    I've come here to Cairo to seek a new beginning between the United States and Muslims around the world, one based on mutual interest and mutual respect, and one based upon the truth that America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles -- principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.
    Folks have to also remember that the notion of spreading democracy throughout the Muslim world was a doctrinal concept that has its origins among Neo-Cons from the Nixon presidency, was re-introduced during the Clinton Administration and finally manifested itself with the "Bush Doctrine". And as anyone who has studied foreign affairs would tell you, spreading democracy in areas of the world where power wasn't gained by the consent of the people has always taken time to stabalize once the dictator was removed from power. Such will be the case all across the Middle-East where one tyrannt is removed and a democratically elected government elected by the people begins to take root. To that, President Obama's foreign policy doctrine has yet to be written and instead we, if not the world, are still feeling the after-effects of the Bush Doctrine. Not a "blame Bush" excuse, just a rational assessment of what's going on in certain parts of the world today. However, the pundits are correct in that sooner rather than later, the Obama Administration will have to outline its on foreign policy doctrine for the Middle-East.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    First, any idiot would know the US Government had nothing to do with the making of that film, even Muslims across the world. Second, the White House released statements picked up by news agencies across the world condemning the film. By paying for a video ad that cost $70,000 in tax payer contributions to make himself look good in a Muslim community is just more appeasement of the Muslim community.

    Since he became POTUS his pandering to Muslims have showed his weakness as a world leader. They don't like or respect him anymore than they did before. Now look at the results.

    But hey, what's money to the 6 trillion dollar man?
    See last paragraph above...

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack



    Oops. I guess what was obvious to the rest of the free thinking world wasn't obvious to Ambassador Rice.

    Rice's account directly contradicts that of Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf, who said this weekend that he had "no doubt" the attack was pre-planned by individuals from outside Libya.

    "It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival," told CBS News.
    The Libyan President makes a good case for enforcing immigration laws as well.

    Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - Yahoo! News
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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post


    Oops. I guess what was obvious to the rest of the free thinking world wasn't obvious to Ambassador Rice.



    The Libyan President makes a good case for enforcing immigration laws as well.

    Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - Yahoo! News
    It's difficult to tell if they were so stupid as to not know what everyone else did, they were lying again, or honestly believed that they truth could hide the truth indefinitely. They can lie domestically because the media will support them and the left will believe whatever they're told. But this is far more difficult to maintain this crap in the outside world.

    The same goes for Obama, Hillary, and their Press Secretary Charlie McCarthy.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If they had nothing to do with the film why are they mentioning it at all?
    The Obama Administration mentions the anti-Islam film because according to preliminary evidence many of the anti-American protests were initiated not because of a coordinate attack planned by Muslim extremist but rather were excalated due to the mass circulation of the anti-Islam film via social networking. As I stated in my previous post, it is quite possible that there was a blending of anti-American protest and Muslim extremist using the film as a springboard to piggy backing off one another to promote violence. Sounds far-fetched, but based on what little evidence that has been made public that seems to be the case here.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Aaaahh! Taking part of a post and quoting it to support your position. Very clever.

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    Why Americans would vote for this obvious loser remains a mystery but perhaps, over the past few years, they have come to identify more with losers than winners. Winners make them nervous, as does self reliance and responsibility. That's the only way to explain a vote for Barrack Obama.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post


    Oops. I guess what was obvious to the rest of the free thinking world wasn't obvious to Ambassador Rice.



    The Libyan President makes a good case for enforcing immigration laws as well.

    Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - Yahoo! News
    But she's right. The anti-American protests did start in Cairo, Egypt and spread from there. Benghazi, Libya was next soon followed by violent outbreaks in several other Muslim countries.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The Obama Administration mentions the anti-Islam film because according to preliminary evidence many of the anti-American protests were initiated not because of a coordinate attack planned by Muslim extremist but rather were excalated due to the mass circulation of the anti-Islam film via social networking.
    Only the Kool Aid drinkers ever believed that. No serious person ever did.
    As I stated in my previous post, it is quite possible that there was a blending of anti-American protest and Muslim extremist using the film as a springboard to piggy backing off one another to promote violence. Sounds far-fetched, but based on what little evidence that has been made public that seems to be the case here.
    Unless there are segments of the Islamic population who are at war with the west and will continue their occasional attacks, riots, murders, etc. in order to further their own agenda and to keep western populations nervous, off balance, and eager to appease. There is more evidence for the latter explanation.

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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But she's right.
    If that's the case then how could she say the violence wasn't premeditated unless she was lying?



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    Re: Libyans See al Qaeda Hand in Embassy Attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    But she's right. The anti-American protests did start in Cairo, Egypt and spread from there. Benghazi, Libya was next soon followed by violent outbreaks in several other Muslim countries.
    But only after they saw the trailer, huh?, and then they became so pissed off they began killing people at random, including other Muslims.

    That is what Bush referred to as "The soft bigotry of lowered expectations", though that bigotry isn't always so soft. It seems you really don't expect much from Muslims.

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