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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    LOL!!!

    Typical of you...you key in on one point in my post..."the media"...miss the meat of my post..."the Democrats have been very effective with their campaign of distraction"...and then ask me for reasons for his struggles.
    You call what Team Obama has done as "a campaign of distraction(s)". I don't think outlining how Romney/Ryan would privatize Medicare as a distraction. I don't see a return to the economic policies that got this country into its current financial state as a distraction. I don't see out-sourcing of jobs as a distraction. I don't see hard working middle-class Americans paying less of a percentage in taxes as a wealthy Republican presidential candidate as a distraction.

    I view these as worthwhile issues for the American people to discuss, but to do so honestly without all the political rancor that has so far poisened our American political process especially in Congress.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Seems to me that the Media has totally failed to discuss how the GOP from day one was committed to blocking everything.

    Apparently it's all Obama's fault but a Republican House committed to stopping everything isn't at fault at all. If you are want get rid of Obama for the economy, that's fine. But you're a massive raging hypocrite if you don't want to boot the party that made it a committed goal to sabotage the economy.



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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    Do you know why?
    Because Romney isn't a good alternative to Obama. Romney is too much of an elistist to be able to identify with the average American. People don't think he has their best interests at heart. Ryan scares people. He worships Ayn Rand and wants to dismantle our safty net.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If you are want get rid of Obama for the economy, that's fine.
    44 Days my friend, and that is exactly what I think you'll see happen.

    Fixed.
    Weak move...Some would even say FAIL.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Because Romney isn't a good alternative to Obama. Romney is too much of an elistist to be able to identify with the average American. People don't think he has their best interests at heart. Ryan scares people. He worships Ayn Rand and wants to dismantle our safty net.
    No, that is the progressive characterization of him, and of Ryan....But please go right on believing that.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    Do you know why?
    Because of who the polls focus on and who does the polls. People are struggling, there is no doubt there. But republican refusal to work with democrats to get the economy going is what hurt people. And Americans know this. They are not willing to have the rich control the government anymore; nor republicans for that matter.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Actually, I'll double-fix for the both of you.

    "To the politicians of a party, compromise means do it our way or we will blame it all on you."

    It's about power and perception. Use the pulpit to smash down the other guy and make him look unreasonable.
    Well, that is what it has become as of late...I'd say over the past 30 years or so... So tell me, are you one of those that will abstain from this election?
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The reason...and the failure...of Obama's administration is his insistence on raising taxes and increasing spending. These are unacceptable to the Republicans and the result is the gridlock you speak of. That's Obama's fault...plain and simple...because the Democrats in Congress didn't have the courage to buck their President. Personally, I see this all as a good thing because the result...if the Republicans didn't stand fast...would have been worse than what we have now. Worse, that is, if you think 16 trillion in debt is a bit high already. It could have been worse.

    No. The failure out of Washington...and that which isn't spoken of by the Democrats...is the failure of Obama to effectively lead and the Congressional Democrats to work independently of their failed President.
    The above is a classic example of blaming one side of the political divide for the failure of the entire legislative body (or rather blaming one person for the misteps or inactions of Congress). Moreover, you miss the point of much of the spending that has taken place to date. Prior to the Budget Control Act of 2011, the Stimulus and extension of unemployment compensation, payroll taxes, the Bush tax cuts, etc., were all done to help keep people from falling into poverty and for those who are in poverty to not find themselves living on the streets. Granted, our country is still in dire straights, but for people to suggest that the Presidnet is purposely promoting an environment of government dependency is just ridiculous!

    Let me put it to you this way:

    The Bush tax cuts have been in existence since at least 2003 and yet the economy began to tank years before Obama took office, and despite extending them the economy hasn't really improved all that much. Should we continue on this track or change course?

    Tea Party Republicans have been in office since January 1, 2011 elected on the promise of "creading jobs" based on the Republican Pledge to America. Has it been their initiatives or President Obama's that have helped to bring about 29 consecutive months of private sector job growth even as Republicans at the state-level has enacted legislation to put more public employees on unemployment?

    These are just two of the major questions folks need to really look at WITHOUT the partisan blinders. And yes, I know I've pointed the finger at Republicans here even as I lament taking a non-bias approach to thinking here, but my point is I have tried very hard to see things from both sides. And in my view, Republicans have done more to keep this country from moving forward than the President or Democrats. If people would really look at the issues in their historical context, they'd know this to be true. Instead, what we have is one side blaming "failed leadership" from the top as the reason for the country remaining frozen with 8% unemployment when the truth is Congress simply hasn't acted with the people's best interest at heart. So my question to the readers of this thread would be what concrete ideals or policy changes have Mitt Romney proposed that in your view will move the country forward? If you listen to him...I mean really listen to him...he's either been extremely vauge in what he would do OR he's fell back on ideas either from his VP running mate, Paul Ryan, OR the proposals from Simpson-Bowles. But where are HIS proposals?
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Obama Extends Lead In New Poll - WSJ.com

    The OP seems badly flawed in light of recent polling results.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You call what Team Obama has done as "a campaign of distraction(s)". I don't think outlining how Romney/Ryan would privatize Medicare as a distraction. I don't see a return to the economic policies that got this country into its current financial state as a distraction. I don't see out-sourcing of jobs as a distraction. I don't see hard working middle-class Americans paying less of a percentage in taxes as a wealthy Republican presidential candidate as a distraction.

    I view these as worthwhile issues for the American people to discuss, but to do so honestly without all the political rancor that has so far poisened our American political process especially in Congress.
    I call "Romney is a danger to women", "Romney hasn't paid taxes", "Romney is a rich guy" and "Romney doesn't care about 47%" as being distractions.
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