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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, my opinion is that he sees the success that Americans enjoy in standard of living, and super power status in the world is unfair. IOW, it isn't fair that Americans enjoy AC, Cars, TVs, and other things that people in other less fortunate countries do not. In that respect I think his aim is to see America decline.
    How do you come up with stuff like that?

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    How do you come up with stuff like that?
    That's from Obama himself!

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Yes, I do.

    The reason Romney is struggling is because the Democrats, with the help of the media, have been very effective with their campaign of distraction.
    Don't blame Romney's struggles on the media. The thread calls for a real, objective answer to the question of why Mitt Romney hasn't gained traction in this presidential campaign. Provide one other than the "blame the media" response which is just as ridiculous is many respects as "blame Bush".

    Point to concrete reasons for his strugges and if you're honest about them you'll see what so many others see...

    Romney's not very genuine.

    Romney hasn't articulated a plan that addressed the immediate or long-term needs of those households that are struggling the most.

    Romney's economic plan mirrors nearly identical to the economic plan this country has followed at least for the last 10 years if not longer - a plan that got our economy where it is today.

    Romney's foreign policy (if you can call his recent gaffs such) aren't conducive to bridging the gap on global coalitions on a wide range of issues.

    Bottom Line: A Romney/Ryan White House would be disasterous to the nation and people are starting to see that.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by jmac
    Well, my opinion is that he sees the success that Americans enjoy in standard of living, and super power status in the world is unfair. IOW, it isn't fair that Americans enjoy AC, Cars, TVs, and other things that people in other less fortunate countries do not. In that respect I think his aim is to see America decline.
    Quote Originally Posted by Grant
    That's from Obama himself!
    Really? Show where he said such a thing. Inquiring minds would really like to know. Link please...we'll wait...

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You're right lets stick to straight forward questions. For example Romney proposes increasing and maintaining defense spending at 4% of GDP, it is certainly at 3.5% of GDP just for comparison, I'd like to ask Mr. Romney where he'll find the extra money to increase defense spending without increasing the debt, I'm assuming this will mean cut backs in government as he won't raise taxes. So what programs will he cut to come up with this extra money?
    And let's get it straight, folks. No one whether they are Democrats and support Pres. Obama or Republicans and support Romney want our national defense to be weakened. Having served my country for nearly 16 years in the Navy (active duty), I certainly understand the concept of broad-based, international power projection and what that means to our nation's security. But to ignore the fact that we spend BILLIONS on defense even at times when we really don't have to (because we the most modern national defense apparatous and more devasting weaponry than any other nation on Earth) with no way to actually pay for it other than to borrow the money which goes contrary to Congress' stated responsiblity to appropriate based soley on Treasury receipts (U.S. Constitution, Art I., Sect. 9, Clause 7) is to do nothing more than continue adding to the debt which goes contrary to the "balanced budget argument" conservatives claim they support.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Really? Show where he said such a thing. Inquiring minds would really like to know. Link please...we'll wait...
    Well, if you'll notice my first sentence of the quote that you saw fit to use says and I quote....

    "Well, my opinion is ..."

    Surely you know the meaning of that opening do you not? It means that is my opinion, based on listening to the man's speeches, watching his actions, and listening to his rhetoric. To ask for a quote of a specific instance is foolish, but you know that, and that is the tactic....Don't believe your lyin' ears, and eyes, only believe what you progressives say is the message. No thanks....
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And let's get it straight, folks. No one whether they are Democrats and support Pres. Obama or Republicans and support Romney want our national defense to be weakened. Having served my country for nearly 16 years in the Navy (active duty), I certainly understand the concept of broad-based, international power projection and what that means to our nation's security. But to ignore the fact that we spend BILLIONS on defense even at times when we really don't have to (because we the most modern national defense apparatous and more devasting weaponry than any other nation on Earth) with no way to actually pay for it other than to borrow the money which goes contrary to Congress' stated responsiblity to appropriate based soley on Treasury receipts (U.S. Constitution, Art I., Sect. 9, Clause 7) is to do nothing more than continue adding to the debt which goes contrary to the "balanced budget argument" conservatives claim they support.

    Nonsense, there are plenty of ways to come up with the money rather than your 'either/or' fallacy.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't present excuses and I base my opinions on the facts I see. Such as the fact that Obama's whole campaign has been based on deflecting from his record toward all the inconsequential or false issues he can concoct about Romney and such as the media's tendency to splash these bogus issues that Obama comes up with all over the news while hardly mentioning any attempt by Romney to address Obama's record or the issues that are really of interest to the People.

    Anyway, before you start making predictions about what I'll do in the future, you should get to know me without letting your bias get in the way.
    Whenever I read comments like the above, I have to wonder if the poster has really paid attention to the movements of Congress instead of just listening to political talking points or rhetoric.

    The President's record is actually better than those on the Right would give him credit. It's not stellar only because of actions from Congress. Let me provide an example...

    After the debt celing deal fell apart, the President presented congressional leaders with the American Jobs Act (AJA). In doing so, President Obama gave Congress a choice to either: a) pass his bill in its entirety, or 2) pass it in parts. Congress choose to pass his jobs bill in parts which in some ways was unfortunate. For example, the bill provided for a way to halt the sequestations on defense spending, but Republicans balked! Another example is how long it took Congress to pass the Temporary Surface Transportation Extension Act of 2012 signed into law on June 30, 2012. Not only were many of the provisions taken directly from the AJA, but appropriations were only extended through July 6, 2012. Clearly, such short-term measures will not spur economic growth long-term, but that's the kind of ineptness of Congress we're left with, and yet pundits will frame the lackluster jobs and economics numbers as the President's failed policies or "a failure of leadership" instead of placing blame squarely on themselves. How about a failure of Congress to put the needs of the country first ahead of their own political aspirations? That's the true failure coming out of Washington, DC these days.

    Process, ladies and gentlemen...learn it, understand it.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Romney is struggling because he hasn't convinced people that he understands what they are going through or that he has a plan that is actually going to fix their problems. People see him as a very wealthy man who is out-of-touch with average Americans, a little cocky and dismissive of the poor and middle class, and a person who acquired his wealth mostly by cutting jobs or shipping them overseas. Whether any of those views are true or not, that is his problem.
    It's still a tight race, but in addition to this problem, which you do a good job of explaining, there is the matter of partisanship. It is a pretty irreducible fact that both liberals and conservatives have engaged in the heated political discussions stemming from the mid-term elections, and what was a financial crisis and a dialogue about wars has once more turned into an extensive debate about the proper role of government at every level of the country. The local debates have become the national debates once more and people have chosen their side.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, if you'll notice my first sentence of the quote that you saw fit to use says and I quote....

    "Well, my opinion is ..."

    Surely you know the meaning of that opening do you not? It means that is my opinion, based on listening to the man's speeches, watching his actions, and listening to his rhetoric. To ask for a quote of a specific instance is foolish, but you know that, and that is the tactic....Don't believe your lyin' ears, and eyes, only believe what you progressives say is the message. No thanks....
    Then your opinion (or assessment) of what the President wants for this country would be incorrect. And if you'd have really listened to him you'd know this. So, I would suggest that you go back and listen to or re-read each of his speeches on WhiteHouse.gov where he speaks of person empowerment and the role of government particularly in these hard economic times, and what I believe you'll find him espousing are initiatives through government involvement that forges public-private partnerships that can get the country working again. Right now, it's just too difficult for many people to get a leg up on their own. So, of course you have federal spending on social programs as a means to keep more people from falling into poverty. And even if some do find their standard of living to be less than what it was 3-4 years ago, atleast they have a way to keep a roof overhead, food on the table, clothes on their backs and pay most of their bills to stave off poverty. That's what so many people - mostly those on the Right - fail to see or completely ignore.

    This is in no way saying that the government will take care of them for life! This is a total mischaracterization of what the extension of unemployment compensation was intended to do; what the extension of the Bush tax cuts were intended to do; what the extension of the payroll tax cut was intended to do; what the expansion of Medicaid benefits were intended to do; what removing some "limitations" on welfare to work requirements were intended to do. All of these measures were intended to help keep people afloat until the economy recovered. They in no way were inteded to be permanent measures anymore than the Bush tax cuts were meant to be permanent. Only the rhetoric has clouded the judgement of folks. Filter through the white noise of politics and things begin to become clearer.
    Last edited by Objective Voice; 09-23-12 at 05:28 PM.

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