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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggl

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You are right, and I was rude. But it would seem the odds are better if it is a successful businessperson with governing experience who is elected to higher office.
    Liberals would never consider that, they want someone that never ran a lemonade stand for president. And look what we got.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    Do you know why?
    Romney isn't "struggling" it's all media propaganda.

    It's no joke or shock that the media is in the tank for Obama and the media will do absolutely everything in their power to psych the public out...

    This media nonsense is nothing more than a persuasion technique... Sorry if this comes as a shock but journalists aren't exactly the most honest individuals, actually I would put them on par with lawyers and most politicians.

    Generally if you want the truth always read the end of an article where the journalist "buries" facts that contradict or at least cancels out the original points being made in the article.

    This is a great article that will give insight and credence to my assertions..

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggl

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You are right, and I was rude. But it would seem the odds are better if it is a successful businessperson with governing experience who is elected to higher office.
    Fair enough, and it probably is, I do know lots of governors seem to come from a corporate background, I would be willing to think that since states by and large need to balance thier budget and companies do too, in a way the federal government generally doesn't, that it is probably better prior experience than say being a lawyer...

    Of course there is a way to prove it, and that is look at the percentage of people with corporate backgrounds that were in an executive position like governor and compare performance to those that had only legislative or law experience. It wouldn't prove one candidate is better than another but it could make a strong case for corporate experience. If I had more time I would look up the numbers.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post

    This is a great article that will give insight and credence to my assertions..

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
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    Do you know why?

    I believe its the American People are far more turned off by the far right and their agenda than they are of obama....the far right has lost this election not Mitt Romney or anything else...Obama will NOT win even if he remains president....this entire election is a referendum on the Far Right and their agenda to enhance the rich at the expense of everyone else...and drive the final nail into the coffin of the middleclass

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Because they aren't being offered an alternative that seems better.

    If things aren't going to get better, maybe they feel Obusha will be more sympathetic to them as they struggle.

    Just an opinion, of course.
    When Romney first put out an economic document to fix the economy it had 59 points. The media rather than boil it down said it was too complicated. Now it is 5 points it is too broad. The candidate needs to take ownership and spend his time putting the mean on the bones of his five points, if he has any. He needs to understand that he is running for president and needs to communicate to 300 million people of varying intellectual skills. No longer the CEO sitting in a board room, telling a bunch of MBAs from the best schools what he is wants to accomplish and what they have to do.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    I agree with your analysis.

    First, tax considerations for the top bracket should not be a primary focus. For all I know cutting top bracket taxes might actually do something but rerally, I doubt it and it's terribly self-serving and has a bad history.

    I still want to see a well thought out approach that is viable in the current atmosphere. So far, I've seen better proposals on DP than I have from Team Romney (and Team Obama). No BOMFOG, let's see if anybody has an implementable idea.



    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    When Romney first put out an economic document to fix the economy it had 59 points. The media rather than boil it down said it was too complicated. Now it is 5 points it is too broad. The candidate needs to take ownership and spend his time putting the mean on the bones of his five points, if he has any. He needs to understand that he is running for president and needs to communicate to 300 million people of varying intellectual skills. No longer the CEO sitting in a board room, telling a bunch of MBAs from the best schools what he is wants to accomplish and what they have to do.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I agree with your analysis.

    First, tax considerations for the top bracket should not be a primary focus. For all I know cutting top bracket taxes might actually do something but rerally, I doubt it and it's terribly self-serving and has a bad history.

    I still want to see a well thought out approach that is viable in the current atmosphere. So far, I've seen better proposals on DP than I have from Team Romney (and Team Obama). No BOMFOG, let's see if anybody has an implementable idea.
    The problem in today's politics if Romney were to explain where he would cut deductions to pay for a rate increase, the media will jump on who gets disadvantaged and try and start a fight about tax increases! Same with cutting the rate for corporations, which I see as one of the big issues to getting our economy going.

    Romney may have no choice but to get more specific now that he is down in the polls. My sense is he will do it in the debates, if he does it at all. This would somewhat curb the media's ability to spin whatever he says.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Now you are confusing me.
    1) It helps to actually read what people write rather than just making up whatever **** you think they wrote.

    On the one hand you say we need to raise taxes to pay down the deficit and debt. On the other hand, you say the debt is a good thing because the economy will do better with it.
    *sigh*

    I said that in the future we need to raise taxes and cut spending to pay down the debt. What I also said, and what you completely failed to understand is incurring debt financed spending during the period of aggregate demand drops keeps aggregate demand from declining further. As aggregate demand from non-government sources rebounds, the government should curtail debt financed spending.

    Serious. Read for comprehension rather than just making up whatever you think people write.

    I have a better idea: stop spending...the deficit magically reduces...the growth in debt reduces.
    This assumes that tax revenue does not stay proportionally tied as aggregate demand declines. That is a big assumption.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    1) It helps to actually read what people write rather than just making up whatever **** you think they wrote.



    *sigh*

    I said that in the future we need to raise taxes and cut spending to pay down the debt. What I also said, and what you completely failed to understand is incurring debt financed spending during the period of aggregate demand drops keeps aggregate demand from declining further. As aggregate demand from non-government sources rebounds, the government should curtail debt financed spending.

    Serious. Read for comprehension rather than just making up whatever you think people write.

    I fully understand what you wrote...and I didn't make anything up. I only cut through your spin.

    This assumes that tax revenue does not stay proportionally tied as aggregate demand declines. That is a big assumption.
    You're right. It also assumes the government will dump excessive and costly regulations. That is likely to happen if Romney is elected. Will only get worse if Obama is re-elected.
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