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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    This has already been demonstrated as a hilarious lie. You can only allege this crap by constricting the definition of welfare to a couple small programs and excluding all the largest welfare programs. That's called "creative" accounting.
    Yes, it's the Big Lie. How can someone who pays no taxes complain about others getting welfare?
    That's because it's already been decided who will win this next election. The GOP needed a head to deliver and to refocus on 2016. No one has ever really embraced Romney, so how TF did he get the nomination, of all people? He's the decoy for an election that was decided at least four years ago. His job is to fall on his sword.
    The question is who is best for America. Can the country really afford four more years of President Madoff and his trillion dollar Ponzi scheme?

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    How can someone who pays no taxes complain about others getting welfare?
    Everyone in America pays taxes Grant.

    In one form or another.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, it's the Big Lie. How can someone who pays no taxes complain about others getting welfare?

    The question is who is best for America. Can the country really afford four more years of President Madoff and his trillion dollar Ponzi scheme?
    A more important question for our time is: will the lesser of two evils put a stop to the trillion dollar Ponzi scheme, or will he extend and expand it?

    What do you really believe your lesser-of-two-evils will actually do? If you don't believe he will change much about the direction of politics and government, then you owe it to the country to send a message about your skepticism by voting third party. Regardless of who you think is actually going to win, vote you values. Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, 2012.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    A more important question for our time is: will the lesser of two evils put a stop to the trillion dollar Ponzi scheme, or will he extend and expand it?

    What do you really believe your lesser-of-two-evils will actually do? If you don't believe he will change much about the direction of politics and government, then you owe it to the country to send a message about your skepticism by voting third party. Regardless of who you think is actually going to win, vote you values. Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, 2012.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Everyone in America pays taxes Grant.

    In one form or another.
    Are you including those who get more back in tax "refunds" than they pay in taxes in that measure?




    If so, I would like to interest you in a fantastic deal where I will send you $1,000 every month!




    ....just as soon as your monthly check for five thousand dollars clears my bank account.....

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Did you see his interview on "60 Minutes" this evening?

    He sounded pretty clear to me.
    No, I didn't. But he changes all the time. What he says one day is something he will be against another day.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Why on earth do so many libertarians attempt to sound like television adverts when they talk online? Can't stop shilling?
    Do you have something to say?

    Why do so many partisans keep ignoring the fact that the politicians they support act against their values? Do they like ****ing themselves over? Do they enjoy ****ting on their children?

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    His alleged religious affiliation has nothing to do with him doing worse than Obama in the polls. Romney is a dirty liberal who masquerades as a conservative.
    ... which also has nothing to do with him slacking in the polls.

    Romney has failed to sell himself as an alternative to Obama. First, he isn't very likeable, which makes the sale a little harder. Second, he hasn't really given anyone a vision of what he would do. Third, he is running one of the worst Presidential campaigns we have seen in a generation. His message is all over the board, including being incoherent, contradictory, incomplete and insulting to the audience.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    No, I didn't. But he changes all the time. What he says one day is something he will be against another day.
    It's too bad you missed it. He was quite clear and his message hasn't changed.

    Oh well...your loss.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I have to disagree with your analysis. We spend much more in corporate welfare than we do social welfare.
    I don't know about that, the so called 'war on poverty' has been waged for 40 plus years, at a cost of over $40 trillion. What you categorize as 'corporate welfare' is murky in its definition. Heck, some people think that business shouldn't even make a profit, or be incentivized to innovate, how do you think that would work out had that been the over riding principle of this country up to now? Think we'd be where we are today? Think we'd have reached the moon?

    The idea that a large majority of the public would rather live poor so they can get food stamps is a bit hard to grasp. People who are poor have not been living a comfortable life style on the government dole.
    Allow me to give a little bit of an anecdotal situation here...When I first started driving trucks, I worked for a company called Schwan's. They are a company most famous for their ice cream, but offer a full line of home delivered gourmet foods, and not cheap either. My best customers were those in the section 8 housing, using food stamps. They ate better than me and my family, and I worked 12 hours a day. So are they knocking it dead, living in the lap of luxury? No. Are they in their own way making out just fine? Yes IMHO.

    However, executives in big corporations have been living large because politicians give them favors for campaign donations.
    You just described 'Big Union'.... Does the same apply for them?

    This happens on both sides, but I see the GOP catoring more to the rich than anyone else these days.
    Again, I think you are being led somewhat. Catering, or pandering is what politicians do on the trail. When you see 'rich' I see the local business person. When you see 'rich' I see the family business. These people are far more in number than the Corporate CEO.

    When Ryan talks about the takers and makers, he is clearly saying that the poor take from the rich.
    For a segment of society this is true. The wealthy in this country pay more than 60% of all tax revenue taken in by the Federal Government, that is just a fact. So, why is it so awful to speak the truth? Other than it is being used to demonize those who do...So I guess, for all the blather that we want politicians that are honest, no we don't...We want people with really good ways to spin.

    The rich get more than their share of our tax money and they use it to build bigger personal wealth.
    How's that? Let me ask you, if a wealthy person makes $15 million in investment income, and pays $2.25 million in Federal tax on that gain, how did the remaining $12.75 million take from you? What you are saying doesn't make sense, we have the ability in our system not to be relegated to one pie being divided into ever smaller slices so that others can get a bigger slice, no, we have the ability in our system to bake more pies.
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