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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I call "Romney is a danger to women", "Romney hasn't paid taxes", "Romney is a rich guy" and "Romney doesn't care about 47%" as being distractions.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, that is the progressive characterization of him, and of Ryan....But please go right on believing that.
    It's not just the progressive view. There are a lot of old style conservatives that see it also. I look at how people act. Romney flip flops more than any politician I have seen in my life time. That is not the sign of a good leader. Ryan has a radical budget plan and represents the views of the radical fringes of the GOP. I am not a Democrat hard liner. I didn't like Clinton, I voted for Bush as governor twice and for president once. I think Bush let Chaney get the better of him. I have never voted along party lines. I usually vote for the person. The GOP has given me no other alternative. They are attacking social freedoms and playing to the eleitists. People who can't see that just don't want to see it.
    I also think Ryan's talking about about the makers and takers shows what mentality started the class war.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The above is a classic example of blaming one side of the political divide for the failure of the entire legislative body (or rather blaming one person for the misteps or inactions of Congress). Moreover, you miss the point of much of the spending that has taken place to date. Prior to the Budget Control Act of 2011, the Stimulus and extension of unemployment compensation, payroll taxes, the Bush tax cuts, etc., were all done to help keep people from falling into poverty and for those who are in poverty to not find themselves living on the streets. Granted, our country is still in dire straights, but for people to suggest that the Presidnet is purposely promoting an environment of government dependency is just ridiculous!

    Let me put it to you this way:

    The Bush tax cuts have been in existence since at least 2003 and yet the economy began to tank years before Obama took office, and despite extending them the economy hasn't really improved all that much. Should we continue on this track or change course?

    Tea Party Republicans have been in office since January 1, 2011 elected on the promise of "creading jobs" based on the Republican Pledge to America. Has it been their initiatives or President Obama's that have helped to bring about 29 consecutive months of private sector job growth even as Republicans at the state-level has enacted legislation to put more public employees on unemployment?

    These are just two of the major questions folks need to really look at WITHOUT the partisan blinders. And yes, I know I've pointed the finger at Republicans here even as I lament taking a non-bias approach to thinking here, but my point is I have tried very hard to see things from both sides. And in my view, Republicans have done more to keep this country from moving forward than the President or Democrats. If people would really look at the issues in their historical context, they'd know this to be true. Instead, what we have is one side blaming "failed leadership" from the top as the reason for the country remaining frozen with 8% unemployment when the truth is Congress simply hasn't acted with the people's best interest at heart. So my question to the readers of this thread would be what concreate ideals or policy changes have Mitt Romney proposed that in your view will move the country forward? If you listen to him...I mean really listen to him...he's either been extremely vauge in what he would do OR he's fell back on ideas either from his VP running mate, Paul Ryan, OR the proposals from Simpson-Bowles. But where are HIS proposals?
    I wouldn't tout this 29 month thing if I were you. The "job growth" during that period has been pathetic and doesn't even keep up with the new people entering the workforce...let alone the ones who LOST the jobs they used to have. And speaking of the Tea Party: The People put them in Congress for a reason and the Democrats in the Senate and Obama have prevented them of doing what the people wanted.

    So...who isn't acting with the people's best interest at heart?
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Obama Extends Lead In New Poll - WSJ.com

    The OP seems badly flawed in light of recent polling results.

    So, NBC hides behind the WSJ moniker as they oversample democrats, and young cell phone users by as much as 13% points in order to come up with the data they want to project to the country....Even if you accept that these polls are anything more than junk plain and simple, take away the shenanigans in arriving at these numbers, and you come up with Romney leading by 5%...You libs are just shameless.
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, NBC hides behind the WSJ moniker as they oversample democrats, and young cell phone users by as much as 13% points in order to come up with the data they want to project to the country....Even if you accept that these polls are anything more than junk plain and simple, take away the shenanigans in arriving at these numbers, and you come up with Romney leading by 5%...You libs are just shameless.

    What poll is Romney leading? Rasmussen? FOX?
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    It's not just the progressive view. There are a lot of old style conservatives that see it also. I look at how people act. Romney flip flops more than any politician I have seen in my life time. That is not the sign of a good leader. Ryan has a radical budget plan and represents the views of the radical fringes of the GOP. I am not a Democrat hard liner. I didn't like Clinton, I voted for Bush as governor twice and for president once. I think Bush let Chaney get the better of him. I have never voted along party lines. I usually vote for the person. The GOP has given me no other alternative. They are attacking social freedoms and playing to the eleitists. People who can't see that just don't want to see it.
    I also think Ryan's talking about about the makers and takers shows what mentality started the class war.
    Define "Old style conservatives"....
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I call "Romney is a danger to women", "Romney hasn't paid taxes", "Romney is a rich guy" and "Romney doesn't care about 47%" as being distractions.
    Ah! But I don't think President Obama has claimed that Romney is a danger to women. What he has said, however, is the policies many Republicans support on women's health issues don't take women's concerns into consideration. And since Romney won't stand up against many of the more hardline tacts of his party he bares some responsibility in that regard.

    People aren't saying that Romney hasn't paid what he owes in federal income taxes. What they are questioning is "why should I work hard 40+ hours a week and pay 20-25% in federal income taxes but a rich man like Mitt Romney is able to take advantage of the tax code (or even manipulate it as some may think) and pay a lower tax rate as he lives off interest dividens whereas WE have to work and still pay a higher federal tax rate? This question speaks to the broader argument of trickle-down economics, and as people begin to better understand how Romney used private equity to amass his wealth, the ethics of such "vulture capitalist" tactics are now being questioned by the public. I find that reasonable considering how private equity has been presented to the general public as a means to save companies from failure as opposed to tearing them down as Romney has been accused of having done.

    As for the "47%" issue, I understand that he was saying in part from the perspective of his ability to convince voters within that 47% demographic to vote for him, but the problem with what Romney said was he lumped everyone with that 47% demographic as either "victims" or lazy and that's just not true. As I've said in other threads concerning this particular matter, I'm within that 47% and I'm not on any federal entitlement program nor do I expect to use any of them in the near future, if ever! So, if I can see through the BS, why are so many others having such a hard time seeing what Romney said as just plain dumb!?!
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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I wouldn't tout this 29 month thing if I were you. The "job growth" during that period has been pathetic and doesn't even keep up with the new people entering the workforce...let alone the ones who LOST the jobs they used to have. And speaking of the Tea Party: The People put them in Congress for a reason and the Democrats in the Senate and Obama have prevented them of doing what the people wanted.

    So...who isn't acting with the people's best interest at heart?
    And yet you failed to list one thing that Romney has proposed himself that would move this country forward...

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Well, I'm sure Mr. Romney would be happy to answer your questions if he were here. But he's not, so why are you asking ME these questions?
    He has answered already and his answer is "We will work that out later". In reality he problay won't be able to cut much so that defense increse will go on the credit card like every Republican before him.Just like the trillions in tax cuts he wants. It's called "starving the beast" a tactic that has been quite effective in running up our debt for 30 years.

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    Re: Voters say they’re worse off after four years of Obama, so why is Romney struggli

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    And yet you failed to list one thing that Romney has proposed himself that would move this country forward...
    Why should I list anything Romney has proposed? I'm talking about why he is struggling and I've given my reason.
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