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‘Fast & Furious' operation: Justice probe clears Eric Holder

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AdamT said:
What was that? I couldn't hear you over the gnashing of teeth coming from the conspiracy brigade! :lol:
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It's news that Holder's own investigator cleared him? LOL!!!
 
jerry7 said:
It's news that Holder's own investigator cleared him? LOL!!!
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Agreed. Investigation to be continued, like the Ruby Ridge and Waco debacles were continued after the Republicans took Congress in the nineties.
 
iliveonramen said:
Well if the Fast and Furious outrage was about justice sure...everybody agrees with the outcome and glad the issue was brought up.

This tying it to Obama is the ginned up portion.
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Of course the AG refused to allow an independent counsel to conduct the investigation. But what the heck....let's just assume that the same department that determined 14 of its officials need to be disciplined conducted an honest investigation. lol
 
What does that say about Holder's management? He didn't know what was going on and thus he is innocent? Instead of innocent, it seems more like incompetent. Incompetence is not a crime, but it is a shame.
 
jerry7 said:
Of course the AG refused to allow an independent counsel to conduct the investigation. But what the heck....let's just assume that the same department that determined 14 of its officials need to be disciplined conducted an honest investigation. lol
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You mean like "Ken Star" independent counsel? I wonder why on earth AG would refuse to allow indepedent counsel....
 
So yeah, we've got the short-form birth certficate, but WHERE'S THE LONG FORM birth certificate!? :lol:
 
I'm sorry.. this just stinks.

First off, Obama holds documents from Congress in regards to Fast and Furious (presumably to save his ass and Holders') and now this... this is just trash. The institutions reponsible with justice in the USA are discrediting themselves.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gover...wers/136661-thread-dedicated-eric-holder.html

This is a thread I make dedicated to this living walking scumbag. I cannot believe he is cleared of all charges... I think it would have done him a lot of good to spend a few years observing the inside of his cell.
 
iliveonramen said:
Well if the Fast and Furious outrage was about justice sure...everybody agrees with the outcome and glad the issue was brought up.

This tying it to Obama is the ginned up portion.
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Much as there were those who insisted there was no scandal at all.
 
AdamT said:
What was that? I couldn't hear you over the gnashing of teeth coming from the conspiracy brigade! :lol:
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Did you read the whole report? Yes, Holder is cleared, but the Justice Department condemned the hell out Holder for mismanagement and incompetence. I agree with that.
 
AdamT said:
So yeah, we've got the short-form birth certficate, but WHERE'S THE LONG FORM birth certificate!? :lol:
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Why is the most transparent administration in history always so opaque?
 
Rainman05 said:
I'm sorry.. this just stinks.

First off, Obama holds documents from Congress in regards to Fast and Furious (presumably to save his ass and Holders') and now this... this is just trash. The institutions reponsible with justice in the USA are discrediting themselves.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gover...wers/136661-thread-dedicated-eric-holder.html

This is a thread I make dedicated to this living walking scumbag. I cannot believe he is cleared of all charges... I think it would have done him a lot of good to spend a few years observing the inside of his cell.
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What documents did Obama hold back from the congressional hearing? Holder handed over everything and then some. Issa wanted something that didn't exist. Now that Holder has been cleared, we know Issa was just playing politics by trying to drum up a scandal where there was none.
 
Eric Holder isn't in chains being sent to jail? We can't scream activist judges... so what can we scream? Oh I know! Conspiracy!
 
Hatuey said:
Eric Holder isn't in chains being sent to jail? We can't scream activist judges... so what can we scream? Oh I know! Conspiracy!
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No, I'm not even going to raise my voice.

But it's more than just a wee naive to think, with all the facts that we do have, that the DOJ has been forthcoming. It stalled for, what, a year, on the Congressional committee's "request" for e-mails and etc.?

Ya, inquiring minds do want to know why. And by the way, an American lost his life because of "Fast and Furious." His name is Brian Terry.
 
nota bene said:
No, I'm not even going to raise my voice.

But it's more than just a wee naive to think, with all the facts that we do have, that the DOJ has been forthcoming. It stalled for, what, a year, on the Congressional committee's "request" for e-mails and etc.?
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Ah, I see. So the investigation didn't give you what you wanted. So conspiracy it is.

Ya, inquiring minds do want to know why. And by the way, an American lost his life because of "Fast and Furious." His name is Brian Terry.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

Appeal to emotion is a logical fallacy which uses the manipulation of the recipient's emotions, rather than valid logic, to win an argument. The appeal to emotion fallacy uses emotions as the basis of an argument's position without factual evidence that logically supports the major ideas endorsed by the elicitor of the argument.
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jerry7 said:
It's news that Holder's own investigator cleared him? LOL!!!
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Clearly, the only way this not-guilty verdict would have satisfied you would be if the investigation were conducted by an independent investigator hand picked by Congressman Issa himself. I wound at what point will people start to set their partisanship aside and allow professional ethics and integrity rule the day?

Republicans had their day in court (so to speak). Chief Justice Holder was cleared of the charge of having fore-knowledge of the Fast and Furious gun running scandal. Eleven members of the Obama Administration won't get away unpunished, however. Nonetheless, time to let it go and move on. Don't be bitter and do as Congressman Issa did attempting to :spin: the issue to drum up additional faults against Justice Holder and President Obama as the book is closed on this case.

In his own statement, Issa said, "Contrary to the denials of the attorney general and his political defenders in Congress, the investigation found that information in wiretap applications approved by senior Justice Department officials in Washington did contain red flags showing reckless tactics and faults Attorney General Eric Holder’s inner circle for their conduct.

It’s time for President Obama to step in and provide accountability for officials at both the Department of Justice and ATF who failed to do their jobs."
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Tacky for sure! Just admit defeat and move on.

specklebang said:
What does that say about Holder's management? He didn't know what was going on and thus he is innocent? Instead of innocent, it seems more like incompetent. Incompetence is not a crime, but it is a shame.
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It's not incompetence when members from the ATF kept information from senior Justice Department officials. Maybe those individuals were attempting to cover their own butts. Maybe the ATF didn't want to involve another department concerning their screw up. Maybe senior DOJ officials below Chief Justice Holder didn't want to involve him in the ordeal. Whatever the case, it's pretty clear Holder knew very little about FF BEFORE the scandal broke loose. So, as I said above, let it go, folks. There's nothing more to see here.

nota bene said:
No, I'm not even going to raise my voice.

But it's more than just a wee naive to think, with all the facts that we do have, that the DOJ has been forthcoming. It stalled for, what, a year, on the Congressional committee's "request" for e-mails and etc.?

Ya, inquiring minds do want to know why. And by the way, an American lost his life because of "Fast and Furious." His name is Brian Terry.
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The "hide/destroy the evidence" montra isn't new. You do recall the Iran/Contra Affair from the Reagan era, right? What did Col. Oliver North do? Answer: Exactly what he was told and destroyed evidence. While there is no evidence such actions were taken here w/FF, I get what you're eluding to. Unfortunately, it makes the Republican decree to "search for the truth" seem quite hollow after the fact.
 
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Then what is it when your underlings are so poorly managed that an operation of this scope is concealed from you? The ATFE hasn't had leadership for years now. Whose fault is that? Holder, Obama, Romney, Objective Voice or Specklebang? Please pick one from that list. If it's my fault, I'll take full responsibility and if it's not my fault, I hope someone will.

I hope you know my POV on this isn't partisan. It just seems like a giant management failure and I tend to blame the managers, not the flunkies. Of course, I could be wrong....

It's not incompetence when members from the ATF kept information from senior Justice Department officials. Maybe those individuals were attempting to cover their own butts. Maybe the ATF didn't want to involve another department concerning their screw up. Maybe senior DOJ officials below Chief Justice Holder didn't want to involve him in the ordeal. Whatever the case, it's pretty clear Holder knew very little about FF BEFORE the scandal broke loose. So, as I said above, let it go, folks. There's nothing more to see here.
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AdamT said:
What was that? I couldn't hear you over the gnashing of teeth coming from the conspiracy brigade! :lol:
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So "un-indicted co-consperator" now means innocent?

Who woulda thunk it.
 
AdamT said:
What was that? I couldn't hear you over the gnashing of teeth coming from the conspiracy brigade! :lol:
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One of the top Obama appointees was implicated in the cover up. Pretty damning
 
iliveonramen said:
I'm sure they'll just move onto the next ginned up "scandal".
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Conducting an operation in which "only" 2000 guns are lost to the hands of drug lords is a ginned up scandal? And the cover up? And the obstruction? And the illegal invocation of the executive privilege?

Is it only ginned up if the Democrat party is behind it?
 
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